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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: hosepipe
Beautiful thoughts, dear hosepipe! I too look forward to all of it - I'm sure it'll be amazing (and never boring.)

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - I Cor 2:9

Maranatha, Jesus!

6,201 posted on 01/15/2007 11:06:48 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you for discussing things rationaly and not resorting to yelling (Typing in all caps)


6,202 posted on 01/15/2007 11:15:45 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
[ But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - I Cor 2:9 ]

Indeed my favorite verse.. Number one of many many favorites..
What a promise and declaration.. worthy to sell all you have for this pearl of great price..

6,203 posted on 01/15/2007 11:16:34 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl

There are cetainly new testament things which supercede the Jewish religion which misinterpretated many things. I would certainly argue that the New Testament definition of the Saints supercedes Old Testament misunderstandings.


6,204 posted on 01/15/2007 11:17:38 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii
The word saint in the new testament original language(not Latin) merely means "holy one" or "the holy ones".. Holy in the Hebrew sense of the word.. The Greeks had no corresponding word for holy in the Hebrew sense/language, one had to be invented..
What makes them holy?.. i.e. saints..
The Blood of Jesus.. Not a declaration by some other human..

NOTE: In new testament times they did not call each other christians but "holy ones"/"saints".. Non believers called them christians.. they called each other holy ones/saints..

6,205 posted on 01/15/2007 11:36:54 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50; Blogger
[Blogger:] Paul spent YEARS studying before launching into full-time ministry.

You are wasting your words. He spent years studying Judaism. What made him an inerrant apostle of Christ was not his study of Judaism.

Perhaps Blogger is referring to this:

Gal. 1:15-18 : 15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus. 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.

I think it most likely that Paul spent those three years in solitude in prayer, meditation and study on what Christ had revealed to him. Only after these years did he begin his full-time ministry.

6,206 posted on 01/16/2007 12:13:16 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: annalex; Blogger
[Alex to Blogger:] More to the point, what exactly is supposed to be the problem with these prayers, in your view? They all make clear that her mediation is to Christ. I've got to run but I would really like to know if it is simply a form of spirituality that is foreign to you or where do you see a fundamental problem.

Well, the prayers that Blogger posted all show a theme. Even from the first one we DO see a fundamental problem:

Mary, Help of Those in Need

Holy Mary, help those in need, give strength to the weak, comfort the sorrowful, pray for God's people, assist the clergy, intercede for religious. Mary all who seek your help experience your unfailing protection. Amen.

Here we have a list of different tasks being asked of Mary. One of the many is to pray for God's people. But that is what you tell us is your entire request of Mary, to pray for us. This obviously does not match. Helping, giving, comforting, praying, assisting, and interceding are all listed as separate requests. Just this one example, among the others Blogger cited, and still hundreds more that are out there, I'm sure, tell us that there is MUCH more going on here than the simple solicitation to Mary to pray for us.

The last thing in the world I think of when reading these prayers to Mary is mediation. These are action requests. "Mary, do this for me now", etc. When I ask my friend for prayer I do not say "Steve, give strength to the weak, and I experience your protection of me." After reading the prayers that Blogger posted, that comparison is now officially COMPLETELY out the window as far as I'm concerned. (Thank you, Blogger :)

6,207 posted on 01/16/2007 3:16:05 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Blogger
The last thing in the world I think of when reading these prayers to Mary is mediation.

That should be intercession.

6,208 posted on 01/16/2007 3:19:49 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Blogger

"I didn't think there was any HTML in that to make it go all squishy!"

Its the Greek words which caused the problem. Whenever you use them, you have to close each paragraph, both before and after the Greek with the appropriate HTML tag. I learned the hard way! :)


6,209 posted on 01/16/2007 4:15:42 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg; kawaii; Kolokotronis; D-fendr; Blogger; jo kus
That's better-I think. I understand now. The scriptures are inspired by God, Himself, but the Church is free to override what God has said. Okay, if that's your story I'll stick to sola scriptura.
6,210 posted on 01/16/2007 4:34:45 AM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: D-fendr

Very little faith is blind.

The people you trust are also the ones who wrote the history books.

At some point in time, you are trusting that what the priests and historians are telling you is true. That is faith.


6,211 posted on 01/16/2007 5:08:16 AM PST by Blogger
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To: kosta50

A creed is NOT Scripture. It is not a complete statement of everything that we believe is Christians. Frankly, it doesn't need to be because we HAVE Scripture. So, even though the creed doesn't have a statement on the atonement, it matters not because I do not take the creed as authoritative. Rather, it is a statement of faith. Incomplete, but valuable for a general understanding.


6,212 posted on 01/16/2007 5:11:03 AM PST by Blogger
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg

"You have yet to answer my question why is God under obligation to die for us?"

John 3:16, "And this is the way God loved the world, He gave His only Son to die for us...".


6,213 posted on 01/16/2007 5:12:08 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Alamo-Girl

Absolute Biblical Truth.

Great sequence of it. Praise God.


6,214 posted on 01/16/2007 5:40:29 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50; Blogger; blue-duncan; The_Reader_David; annalex; Mad Dawg
In order for one to be a member of a particular church, Orthodoxy teaches that we must believe the exact same things. In saying this Orthodoxy doesn't go so far as the Latin Church does in great measure because we don't define theological matters to the same extent that the Latin Church does.

Oh, please. There are significant differences in the way the East and West view Mary, purgatory, Church authority, sin/grace, and a number of other issues. About the only thing you two agree on is the Eucharist.

What I am pointing to, as was Kosta, is the "Oneness" and "Catholicity" of The Church, something which lacking in virtually all of "Protestantism". Now it is apparent that "Protestants", despite the fact that they virtually all recite The Creed (another one of those spiritual things The Church gave you, either don't understand what they are praying or they positively reject it.

And where does the Orthodox stand on the Nicene Creed? There are very few of the early creeds that I believe Protestants would "reject".

I have been in a number of church in all parts of the world. I can assure you that, while their services may vary, Protestants have this "oneness" also. That being said, there are some Protestants churches I would not enter. However, after reading some of the problems with the Catholic Church, there are a number of them I wouldn't attend if I were Catholic. I suspect the same is true about Orthodoxy.

Protestantism may be the rejection of "teaching authority" of the Church, but let's look at what that means. You have told me that Orthodoxy is very complex to understand and take years of reading and immersion to fully grasp it. Protestants simply state, "Repent, believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved." We don't need much more "teaching authority" than that.

6,215 posted on 01/16/2007 5:50:42 AM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: blue-duncan; Kolokotronis; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; wmfights; kosta50; P-Marlowe; xzins; ...
We did get a Nigerian who had a lot of money his father had deposited in a bank in Nigeria that was embargoed under one of the many administrations. All he needed was $5,000.00 as a good faith advance and he could get millions to share with us for our building project.

LOL! You remind me of the, BY FAR, best e-mail scam (and abuse by the responder) I have ever read. It is hideously long, but worth every minute (if you like my sense of humor :). The only thing you need is a working knowledge of the very basics of "Star Wars". This African scammer has no clue. :) If you haven't already seen this, enjoy:

Darth Vader adopts an apprentice or two (Danga vs. Darth)

6,216 posted on 01/16/2007 5:55:47 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: hosepipe

I probably need to meditate on that one more.

A great verse.

Thanks.


6,217 posted on 01/16/2007 6:14:36 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: hosepipe

Interesting.

Didn't know that.

Thanks for helping me learn something.


6,218 posted on 01/16/2007 6:15:46 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; wmfights; kosta50; P-Marlowe; ...

This is the site I go to for laughs. The letters are terrific and the scams of the scammers are great.

http://www.419eater.com/


6,219 posted on 01/16/2007 6:27:45 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: hosepipe

Can you cite any sources for this? After all the Greek bishops which came together in the 7 councils were pretty good speakers of Greek. I think they'd know what words meant.


6,220 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:25 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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