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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50; Blogger; blue-duncan; The_Reader_David; annalex; Mad Dawg
In order for one to be a member of a particular church, Orthodoxy teaches that we must believe the exact same things. In saying this Orthodoxy doesn't go so far as the Latin Church does in great measure because we don't define theological matters to the same extent that the Latin Church does.

Oh, please. There are significant differences in the way the East and West view Mary, purgatory, Church authority, sin/grace, and a number of other issues. About the only thing you two agree on is the Eucharist.

What I am pointing to, as was Kosta, is the "Oneness" and "Catholicity" of The Church, something which lacking in virtually all of "Protestantism". Now it is apparent that "Protestants", despite the fact that they virtually all recite The Creed (another one of those spiritual things The Church gave you, either don't understand what they are praying or they positively reject it.

And where does the Orthodox stand on the Nicene Creed? There are very few of the early creeds that I believe Protestants would "reject".

I have been in a number of church in all parts of the world. I can assure you that, while their services may vary, Protestants have this "oneness" also. That being said, there are some Protestants churches I would not enter. However, after reading some of the problems with the Catholic Church, there are a number of them I wouldn't attend if I were Catholic. I suspect the same is true about Orthodoxy.

Protestantism may be the rejection of "teaching authority" of the Church, but let's look at what that means. You have told me that Orthodoxy is very complex to understand and take years of reading and immersion to fully grasp it. Protestants simply state, "Repent, believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved." We don't need much more "teaching authority" than that.

6,215 posted on 01/16/2007 5:50:42 AM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; kosta50; Blogger; blue-duncan; The_Reader_David; annalex; Mad Dawg

"Oh, please. There are significant differences in the way the East and West view Mary, purgatory, Church authority, sin/grace, and a number of other issues. About the only thing you two agree on is the Eucharist."

You must have misunderstood my post. Much of what you have written is precisely why we are not in full communion with Rome. That is not to say that Rome is not a particular church within The Church as the Orthodox Churches are.

"And where does the Orthodox stand on the Nicene Creed?"

We wrote it. We still pray it at every Divine Liturgy.

"However, after reading some of the problems with the Catholic Church, there are a number of them I wouldn't attend if I were Catholic. I suspect the same is true about Orthodoxy."

Not to my knowledge, unless you mean certain uncanonical groups. Even with most of them, I'd attend but of course wouldn't receive communion.

"Protestants simply state, "Repent, believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved." We don't need much more "teaching authority" than that."

To the extent that that encompasses Protestant belief, I'd guess I'd agree with you.


6,371 posted on 01/16/2007 5:13:33 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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