'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[Quix]

Blogger!

Paragraphs are our friends.

PREVIEW helps.

[Quix]

So, the RC edifice has been without internal debate for

1600 years?

I think NOT!

LOL

GUFFAWS TO THE MAX.

[D-fendr]

A link will suffice, though I have lots of them on the topic. But thanks for the thought.

[D-fendr]

I was in four different Protestant Churches in my younger years and have spent a good deal of time in a fifth in my later years.

Certainly I've had a great deal of teaching on what the scriptures mean.

Believe me, these churches were far far from the same. If you asked me which one is the True Christian Faith and teaching? How can I say? They're different, some very different.

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Ooops! I didn't think there was any HTML in that to make it go all squishy! Plus, when you copy and paste it picks up a lot more than what you see... It was about a longer and shorter version of the Apostles Creed - the longer being later. The relevant part was this:

The longer form of the Roman symbol, or the present received text, does not appear before the sixth or seventh century. It has several important clauses which were wanting in the former, as "he descended into hades,the predicate "catholic" after ecclesiam, "the communion of saints," and "the life everlasting."These additions were gathered from the provincial versions (Gallican and North African) and incorporated into the older form.

[Blogger]

But on essentials, they were likely very similar. Practice, secondary doctrines, yes - we can be quite different. But who God is (at the basic level), what salvation is, what Christ did - more similar than different.

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Off to rest my mortal eyes. Goodnight to all.

[D-fendr]

By the way, our requirement is the Nicene though we also use the Apostles at times.

I was taught the Creed's history, what each part means in detail and freely chose to sign that I accepted this teaching of the Church and held it to be true before I was confirmed.

I signed as a free agent.

[Blogger]

But you accept it as a matter of faith.

[D-fendr]

Good night, thanks for the discussion and God bless..

[kawaii]

And here with that big IQ you tout I'd have figured you knew the defintion for said japanese word...

[Religion Moderator]

Knock it off!

[Quix]

Much better.

Thanks tons.

Yeah . . . a left or right caret--especially both with a URL or image or some such is enough to do it. imho. what little I know.

[D-fendr]

But you accept it as a matter of faith.

I'd have to say 'No'. If I'm understanding your definition here of faith. I didn't choose to accept the Creed. I studied it. I studied the history of it and the Church. I studied scripture. I reflected on my own personal spiritual experience - at this point in my particular path I relied quite heavily on it.

Off topic though it may be, that's my particular case. On topic, there was a clear teaching, I had many long discussions with Priests and teachers speaking authoritatively - as deep or as broad as I wished to know - This is What The Church Believes.

[D-fendr]

Sorry, I should gotten off the thread and waited.

g'night again...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your musings and insights!

On the first one:

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. – Ephesians 5:28-32

And on the second one:

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. – Matt 22:28-32

I love the Scriptures! They hide Truth in plain sight. One can know them like the back of his hand and yet have no understanding if he doesn’t also know the power of God.

The parables and metaphors are excellent examples:

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. – Matthew 13:10-16

Again, all of those people were physically hearing the parables – the pressure waves, the sound waves, were registering in their ears – but they were not spiritually hearing them. They could not understand. They did not know the power of God.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:26-27

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your encouragements!

[kosta50]

and no, I do not find particular fault with the Nicene Creed

Even though it does not contain doctrine of the atonement?

[Alamo-Girl]

Your post 6078 wasn’t clear to me, so I did some back tracking to try to figure it out:

Original challenge at 5966:

An what is a saint in your book?

My reply at 5971:

God defines a saint this way:

He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. - Psalms 50:4-5

Response at 6007:

So, all the "saints" you meet have made a covenant "by sactifice?"

My reply at 6019:

Yes indeed they have:

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin. - Hebrews 10:11-18

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:14-15

Latest response:

Heb 10:11-18...

Look up Heb 8...whoever the author of that book is, he is saying the same thing about the "House of Israel" just two chapters before yours. Not saints, but the unbelieveing Jews.

So much for predestination and God-given faith.

Evidently the problem is that latest response raises two issues which are not “in” this sidebar thread.

First, I haven’t debated predestination on the thread. And if you had followed my previous postings on the subject, you might have noticed that I aver predestination and free will are not mutually exclusive. Both are true because God has spoken both prophesies and commandments.

Secondly, the question what is a saint? was not narrowed to Christian versus Jew. The definition I gave was from Psalms.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life – no one comes to the father except by Him. (John 14:6) But Jesus is from the beginning (John 1) and therefore, it doesn’t mean that mortals who physically lived before Jesus was enfleshed cannot be saints.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. – John 8:56-58

Again, if you had followed my previous postings on the subject, you might have noticed that I aver God will keep all of His promises to Israel. The blood of Christ has no limitation in time, nor are the Jews precluded from Him:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. – Jer 31:35-37

For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes. – Romans 11:16-28

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[ Again, all of those people were physically hearing the parables – the pressure waves, the sound waves, were registering in their ears – but they were not spiritually hearing them. They could not understand. They did not know the power of God. ]

Another set of wonderful "hidden" verses of scripture..
Hiding "some of" the power of God.. overtly sneaky I'd say..

Amazing, this God, that can speak.... and UNdesignated "material" then designates itself into designated "material".. That can speak a solar system into place or human eyes where none were before... Lttle wonder the devils tremble at that power..

And they know(the devils) that this one is grooming for a "wife"...
They would be idiots not to fight these two forces coming together..
The Bride and the Groom..

Tickets to the marriage feast are a universal honor..
Just to attend as a guest of either of them is a delicious thought..
Oh my, what will the two of them build together?..

What will they do together after the wedding?..
There must be much planned to happen, else why a wedding?...
Maranatha Jesus..