Posted on 06/24/2005 7:24:47 AM PDT by Salvation
There you go again, more mindless pro-abortion propaganda. The straw man position you've been beating up on has nothing to do with real pro-lifers, and you know it. For the sixth time, National Right-To-Life has been willing to accept any limitation on abortion for over thirty years.
I am pro-life
Hardly. If you were than you wouldn't be condemning real pro-lifers for imaginary transgressions in the third party voice. Your false pro-life position is increasingly transparent.
I love God and struggle as much as any guys trying to live by His rules and all
Sure you do...
but I do think I deal with reality far better than the extremist among the pro-life movement.
You really need to do a better job hiding your hatred of the pro-life movement if you want to deceive people over with all your false sympathy.
I share the same goals of the most extreme pro-life person in wanting no death
You mean the ones you just called extremists?
I just don't believe in self-sabotage of progress toward the goal by being obsessed with the all or nothing.
I don't know about that, but you clearly believe in "them-sabotage" with "them" being the pro-life movement.
Things just don't work that way unless you like to get nothing as a result all the time.
From what you've said here, it is clear that your real intent is that pro-lifers get nothing. You are just like the seminar callers on the conservative talk radio shows, and equally ineffective. Using false concern as a vehicle for deceptively destructive advice is a tactic of loosers.
Just like Presidents Clinton's "keep abortion safe, legal, and rare" pronouncement. No, a declining abortion rate is a sign of hope but the rejoicing should wait until the murders stop and all innocent human life is legally protected.
Mt 10:37-42 | ||
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37 | He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. | qui amat patrem aut matrem plus quam me non est me dignus et qui amat filium aut filiam super me non est me dignus |
38 | And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. | et qui non accipit crucem suam et sequitur me non est me dignus |
39 | He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it. | qui invenit animam suam perdet illam et qui perdiderit animam suam propter me inveniet eam |
40 | He that receiveth you, receiveth me: and he that receiveth me, receiveth him that sent me. | qui recipit vos me recipit et qui me recipit recipit eum qui me misit |
41 | He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive the reward of a prophet: and he that receiveth a just man in the name of a just man, shall receive the reward of a just man. | qui recipit prophetam in nomine prophetae mercedem prophetae accipiet et qui recipit iustum in nomine iusti mercedem iusti accipiet |
42 | And whosoever shall give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, amen I say to you he shall not lose his reward. | et quicumque potum dederit uni ex minimis istis calicem aquae frigidae tantum in nomine discipuli amen dico vobis non perdet mercedem suam |
Saint Prophet Elisha
Contemporary Icon, Ioan Popei, Iconographer
It would be nice to stop some abortions. For example, if someone proposes a legislation that redheaded parents should not be allowed to abort their child, I think we all would support that, despite the utter absurdity of relating the crime of abortion to the color of someone's hair.
Likewise, the honest people should indicate that they will agree to any restriction on the current barbarious abortion regime, no matter how absurd.
At the same time, any attempt to exempt the crime of abortion in the cases of rape or incest from the objectives of fundamental liberty and justice for all is undermining the very foundation of these principles. As a deal with murderers, it has merits. As a political platform, it is garbage.
You want to begin by approving the death of innocents. That defeats your "pro life" arguement 100% of the time and reduces your "principles" to nothing.
Another option is that families continue to give moral support to their young people when unplanned pregnancies develop. That goes to members of extended families also.
You need to read what I said.
I don't approve of any abortions, but in our country, no such law can pass.
So, we have to go for no abortions except for rape, incest, and the death risk of mothers with a pregnancy. We do that and we save 750,000 a year.
It's better to save the 750,000 year first IMO.
Later your fight is for the remainder and it will be always for one life at a time.
And if you vote like you express your view, you continue to condom to death an extra 750,000 a year in the name of your hoity toity principles.
I think we deal with reality instead and get the majority of babies killed to be born, then fight for the few left over that aren't covered by law.
It just makes no sense to me to not stop the part of the Holocaust you can because of your principles.
Why, I think I made it clear that I'll vote for any reduction in the number of abortions, no matter how absurd. But I will not water down my pro-life principles with that vote. If one baby is allowed by law to be murdered, our duty remains to prevent that murder.
I'm 100% with you in that. We need to do whatever it takes to fight for the life we can get through law, and then we still have the battle for the rest one at a time.
All innocent new born life is precious and I would never suggest we no try to influence the stopping of all abortions.
No one here has an "all or nothing attitude", your straw man argument has been exposed.
What I don't like about the obsessed part of the pro-life movement
You mean the imaginary part of the pro-life movement you just made up?
It's a cute theological argument you have going,
This is just another fallacious straw man. I haven't put forth any theological argument.
But if we have the most obsessed wing of the pro-life movement blocking the saving of all the lives we could save, that is pointless to me.
Your repeated use of the the third person voice to attack the pro-life movement has exposed you as the pro-abortion troll you are.
All pro-lifers agree with the statement above, and I have made it more than a half dozen times now on this thread. The poster you replied to has been exposed as a pro-abortion troll claiming to be pro-life in order to attack real pro-lifers over a false allegation.
Well, if that is the case, I guess only the most extreme get the press or on TV.
Giving moral and even financial support to anyone with unplanned pregnancies should be a responsibility of families, churches, and even governments. However, abortion is always wrong regardless of the level of support that is offered.
*look, nobody is buying your nonsense. So, you up the ante and charge with "condemning to death" one with consistent pro-life principles, which you label "hoity toity".
That is both illogical and nasty.
I think Ronaldus Magnus has you pinned
Lately I've noticed an increase in these "seminar caller" type posters who use false pretenses to slander conservative principles. These liberals pretend to be conservatives in order to have more credibility in their attacks on real conservative than they would if they were honest about their liberal bias. They are usually easy to identify by their tendency to repeatedly misstate conservative positions and then attack conservatives over the fault they themselves just fabricated. They also refuse to respond to any rebuttals or corrections of their false characterizations. This one was easy to identify because he was dumb enough to talk about conservatives as "you" and "they" while simultaneously claiming to be a "true conservative" himself as he attacked something he made up about conservatives.
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