"Anglican Communion Institute Statement"

Titusonenine (scroll down the page) ^ | 2 November 2003 | multiple

[ahadams2]

"Anglican Communion Institute Statement"

The consecration of Gene Robinson is a deliberate and flagrant act of disregard: disregard for Lambeth 1.10 and the Lambeth Conference; disregard for the Archbishop of Canterbury; disregard for the Primates; disregard for the Statement issued only two weeks ago, which clearly stated this act would jeopardise the Communion. This act of disregard is intended to show that American Episcopalianism is answerable to no one but itself. By this act, a major block of American Episcopalians have voted with their feet and have walked out of the Communion.

We now call on the Presiding Bishop to have the courage to declare his independence from the Communion. We call on Gene Robinson to acknowledge that his episcopacy will have no sacramental standing in most regions of the Communion. We call on those Bishops who joined in this consecration, or who supported it by formal consent, to follow through with proper conviction and declare themselves an independent Episcopal Church, operating outside the constraints of Communion. We call on these Bishops to agree with the Presiding Bishop's statement that same-sex blessings are, strictly speaking, in contradiction to scripture.

For the sake of truth and justice, we call on the new Episcopal Church which emerges after November 2 to declare its independence from the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primates Meeting, and Lambeth Conference. For the sake of truth and justice, we call on the new Episcopal Church to amend the Preamble to the Constitution and Canons which had described it as a constituent member of the Anglican Communion and in Communion with the See of Canterbury. It is time for the new Episcopal Church to cease "limping along with two opinions." By this act of consecration, let the new Episcopal Church walk out resolutely from under the constraints of Communion. May the new Episcopal Church have the full courage of its convictions and declare itself free and clear of Communion life. It is time for a new day of honesty and courage. Let that day begin now.

[ahadams2]

Ping.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

What does it matter if the Episcopal church separates? The gay loving branch will lose have their congregations but quickly fill up the pews with people who have no idea what their church stands for.

[RnMomof7]

In our area the offended Episcopal Churches have advertised weekly in the Buffalo News. Any interested in leaving the apostate church know where to go.

BTW The local assembly voted to approve the action. One particularly dumb woman was interview and she said that this is a church that has traditionally "overlooked" differences" and they would "over look" this. I hope she has her asbestus underwear ready

[narses]

How was his ordination as a priest (or the ordinations of women) different than his elevation to Bishop?

[ahadams2]

You wrote "What does it matter if the Episcopal church separates? The gay loving branch will lose have their congregations but quickly fill up the pews with people who have no idea what their church stands for."

There are a couple of different issues here:

First off, if ecusa separates from the Anglican Communion, it will most likely devolve fairly rapidly into just another competitor for the small pseudo-Christian homosexual rights oriented subculture out there. If one is to go by the current homosexual parishes, it is highly doubtful they'll be able to fill the pews.

Secondly, after today, there's no way people aren't going to know what the unfaithful remnant known as ecusa truly stand for... excepting of course for those who intentionally avoid such knowledge.

[ahadams2]

You wrote "How was his ordination as a priest (or the ordinations of women) different than his elevation to Bishop?"

He was priested prior to the breakup with his wife. As to how he staid a priest after becoming openly involved in a homosexual relationship, that is indeed a scandal, but it is a scandal which also points to the real reason that his elevation to bishop is so objectionable.

In Anglican theology (and I believe in Roman theology also) the priest is operating as an extension of the authority of his bishop. Thus while an apostate priest may cause harm in one parish, an apostate bishop causes harm throughout his entire diocese. Even more importantly, bishops are seen to be bishops throughout the entire Anglican Communion, not just in their home diocese. Thus an apostate bishop not only causes damage to his diocese, but in a very real way misrepresents and to some extent degrades the entire Anglican Communion, simply by his existance.

[narses]

So he wasn't ordained as a known homosexual, but have not such deviants been ordained? Thanks for the informative response btw.

[ahadams2]

You asked "So he wasn't ordained as a known homosexual, but have not such deviants been ordained?"

Yes such have been ordained - this is a major scandal which the folks like frank the heretic have been doing their best to ignore for years. The problem here is that once a certain percentage of the episcopate becomes corrupted, those corrupt bishops can work together to further their agenda, which in some cases has included the ordination of known homosexuals. I don't have a firm number of how many have been thus ordained, I'm not sure anyone knows for certain, but there have been a number and in some ecusa dioceses over the last decade (diocese of Washington DC, for instance)the *only* males they would ordain were homosexuals...which is why the conservative ecusa parishes in Northern VA had people driving an hour or more each way for Sunday services.

[narses]

What is the general thinking in the community regarding the Anglican Use Rite within the Roman Catholic Church? The American Bishops' Conference of the RCC is no paragon of orthodoxy, BUT the Church Herself has avoided the heretical.

[Salvation]

Catholic bump for your thread.

[ahadams2]

You wrote "What is the general thinking in the community regarding the Anglican Use Rite within the Roman Catholic Church? The American Bishops' Conference of the RCC is no paragon of orthodoxy, BUT the Church Herself has avoided the heretical."

Okay, I'm not an Anglo-Catholic, nor do I play one on TV, but I'll try to answer your question as best I can and then perhaps one of the A-C freepers will wander by and fill in all the blank spots.

From reactions I've seen elsewhere it would appear to me that the degree of positive reaction to the AU RC parishes depends on whether or not there is an Anglican Anglo-Catholic parish within reasonable driving distance (the further the drive, the more attractive having an AU RC parish nearby would seem) and also the degree to which folks perceive that shifting over to AU RC would still allow them to follow Anglican traditions. I would submit that the recent publication of the AU Book of Divine Worship (the RC modified version of the 1979 BCP) should be a positive step in that direction, but I do not know what the overall effect from that will be.

One other point to consider here: those of us Anglicans who have watched some of the more colorful goings on among the Roman Catholic Bishops, as noted here on Free Republic, have sometimes found ourselves being able to predict what they're going to do next, due to our experiences with our own bishops...so that may actually be a negative since, especially when looking at some of the more wacka-wacka (obtuse theological term) RC dioceses one gets the impression of "here we go again", y'know? :-)

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Secondly, after today, there's no way people aren't going to know what the unfaithful remnant known as ecusa truly stand for... excepting of course for those who intentionally avoid such knowledge.

Untrue...Do you kno whow many people have walked into my ELCA church not having a clue for what the organization stands for. Its just a church that was nice to them and their family so they stayed. This will happen again. The gays are hoping that Robinson will be their MLK....they have deployed Phelps as the detractor.

[narses]

One other point to consider here: those of us Anglicans who have watched some of the more colorful goings on among the Roman Catholic Bishops, as noted here on Free Republic, have sometimes found ourselves being able to predict what they're going to do next, due to our experiences with our own bishops...so that may actually be a negative since, especially when looking at some of the more wacka-wacka (obtuse theological term) RC dioceses one gets the impression of "here we go again", y'know? :-)

Thanks!

[redgolum]

One question, did an ELCA bishop lay hands on the heritic? If so, the ELCA has just given approval of active gay ministers and bishops, and is in the same boat.

Ahadams2, you and the rest of the faithfull are in my prayers. I hope that all of you find a good Christian church soon. The ECUSA is not it.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

ELCA pastors have started marrying same sex...not a matter of if...its when.

[redgolum]

So then what is the next step? Some in the ECUSA are activly fighting to check the heritics, is there a similar movement in the ELCA? Just curious.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Yes their is a similar movement in the ELCA...but why stay in the ELCA when you have the Missouri Synod. the only reason I lasted so long is that I liked my congregation. Unfortunately, those in the pews have no idea as to what the church at the national level stands for.

[redgolum]

I was just wondering. I am in the LCMS and we have been watching the fall of the ELCA with some measure of horror. I fear that is isn't long before the ELCA is in the same position as the ECUSA.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

The ELCA does not care. Sure, 25% of the people in the pews will leave. They will eventually fill the pews up again with people who don't have a clue as to what the ELCA stands for, and uses their money for. You wouldn't believe how uninformed our congregation is. You go up to the cluster/synod & national level and the representation is 100% Berkly educated left wing freaks. Pastors would not dare share any of the sexuality intiatives with the congregation.

The word alone network is the organization that is fighting the ELCA from within. They have resisted the partnership with the Episcopals and are surely resisting the sexuality stuff. Churches supporting that organization will splinter once the ELCA makes their statements public. Its not a matter of if....its when.