Posted on 08/28/2003 11:56:12 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Not really. Nor do we think Republicans Tom McClintock and Peter Ueberroth should get out of the race. At least not yet.
Well, maybe Mr. Ueberroth should. His blandness and lack of energy will not do.
The Democrats already have their Gray candidate. What's more, Mr. Ueberroth doesn't seem to be much more specific than Arnold Schwarzenegger, the frontrunner among Republicans currently in the race. But, then again, Mr. Ueberroth's nonpartisan pitch overrides his token Republicanism. For example, he's the only Republican in the race to oppose Proposition 187, the 1994 initiative barring state benefits to illegal aliens. Does this country-club Republican think he'll get Latino voters away from Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante? Indeed, in this crazy election, Mr. Ueberroth could end up with more Democrats and independent voters than Republicans.
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For which Candidate should a conservative Democrat vote?
Tom or arNØ!d ?
Same arrogance.
Same ignorance.
Same handlers.
Same disregard for our state borders.
Same encouragement of language division.
Same socialist / marxist dole renamed 'entitlements' ( a criminal foreigner is entitled to take money from our paychecks to pay for schooling ( from K through PhD - while your children and mine are denied a classroom seat ), medical attention ( hospitals are closing ER services to Americans, because foreign outlaws have broken them financially ).
Same squeezing of every nickel I earn and needed for out of pocket expenses for the schooling, medical attention, and education my children can hope to get, while I'm paying for the free ride 'entitlements' they tell me is my obligation to outlaw foreigners.
Same blind eye toward deporting outlaw foreigners who are convicted of violent crimes; forcing Americans to pay for the prisons and parole administration of these people who have broken the law crossing the border, and have killed, rapped, robbed, burglarized, and assaulted peaceful American Citizens.
A vote for (R)nold. A vote for Bustamove. It's a continuation of the Gray Davis' attack on the ability of California families to provide a future for their children.
Different face. Same suit. Same problem.
In the old days Free Republic was a conservative forum. Now it's an institution. It's lost its edge. The site is devolving into a vehicle for establishment Republicans to feed Kool-Aid daily to the mind-numbed masses. We get daily doses of photos of the President's day, for God's sake.
Today's Freepers, who I suspect are largely younger members of the hip-hop generation, are intoxicated with winning. Ideology is seen as something that might get in the way. It's all about segmentation and positioning, getting a workable majority. It's easier to "win" by pandering to a plurality of voter segments as opposed to leading them with the moral superiority of your ideas. Leadership is for us old school types.
Well, maybe the world has passed true conservatives by. Europe is lost to socialism, America is lost to socialism. Now politics is all about who will be better manager of our socialist, therapeutic state. So I say if California is to be socialist, let it be run by a true socialist. Let the big busted one have it, and vote your principles.
If conservatives will not hold the Republican Party accountable, who will? If Free Republic will not be a force for that mission, it is no more than a Republican propoganda machine.
You are living in fantasyland if you think a conservative like McClintock has a chance of winning the recall.Change will come from the middle. Only when a Democrat is out of office can any gains for the right be made. Your "well if I don't get my way I will take my marbles and go home" attitutde does not change the fact that it will elect Bustamente.
Congratulations. Bustamente thanks you for your support.
Everyone should vote for Tom McClintock!
Yes. I ask you , who was the last conservative to win a state wide office like Governor or Senator in California?
This is the only good argument I have heard towards keeping Bustamente in office and it does have merit. But it's still not the same as trying to win a victory and your coupling the above statement with your support of McClintock indicates your acceptance already that McClintock will lose and Bustamente will win.
I think you're wrong about this; most of the neo-con crowd here seem to be baby boomers, although they come from all ages.
But, yeah, I think we could use a booster shot of conservatism here.
It's one thing to rally around a moderate candidate like Bush who won the nomination, and was in a close race.
It's entirely another thing to support an unabashed liberal in a free-for-all.
You could be right. But what I read between the lines of the pro-Ahnold posts is that politics is like some sort of video game. It's about winning and strategy as opposed to ideas and ideology. What better candidate can there be for video gamers than Arnold Schwartzenegger?
If you really are a conservative, and you support an unabashed liberal, what have you "won." You lose by winning, so to speak. But if all you care about is power then it doesn't really matter. Socialism can be embraced as a means to an end.
Ideologically. there is absolutely no difference between Joe Lieberman and Arnold. And yet, Lieberman is regarded as evil and Arnold a savior. Why? Party. I read one post that argued for Ahnold on the basis that he would give the party patronage jobs. In my widest imaginations, I never thought that the primary motivation of the less-government party would be to get patronage jobs for the faithful. But there it is, and very few seem to question it nowadays.
When we have devolved to the point that there is no ideological difference between the parties, then it's just about the game.
I think what's at stake is far too important to get reduced to that.
If you look at 1992 when conservative Bruce Herschensohn and moderate John Seymour were running for the two US Senate seats that were open you will notice that Herschensohn came within a whisker of beating Boxer, thanks to a last-minute dirty trick, but Seymour lost by a huge margin on the same ballot with the same group of voters.
If I had the time I could go on and on about 98, 2000, 2002, and how moderate nominees get beaten really badly and conservative's lose by small margins. In 2002 the party establishment threw about amillion dollars at the end to really liberal Republican Gary Mendoza running for Insurance Commissioner, who lost substantially. Everyone flipped the bird at McClintock who came within a fraction of a percent of winning.
Yes, everyone should but not enough will. Deal with it.
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