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Should Schwarzenegger quit?
The Washington Times ^ | August 28, 2003 | Op-Ed

Posted on 08/28/2003 11:56:12 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Not really. Nor do we think Republicans Tom McClintock and Peter Ueberroth should get out of the race. At least not yet.

Well, maybe Mr. Ueberroth should. His blandness and lack of energy will not do.

The Democrats already have their Gray candidate. What's more, Mr. Ueberroth doesn't seem to be much more specific than Arnold Schwarzenegger, the frontrunner among Republicans currently in the race. But, then again, Mr. Ueberroth's nonpartisan pitch overrides his token Republicanism. For example, he's the only Republican in the race to oppose Proposition 187, the 1994 initiative barring state benefits to illegal aliens. Does this country-club Republican think he'll get Latino voters away from Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante? Indeed, in this crazy election, Mr. Ueberroth could end up with more Democrats and independent voters than Republicans.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 26kdollarwelfaretom; arnold; boogeyman; bustamentebooster; conservative; mcclintock; pubbieelitists; rino; scaretactics; schwartzenliberal; schwartzenrino; schwarzenegger
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To: TERMINATTOR; Reagan Man; Ernest_at_the_Beach; JohnHuang2; nosofar; DoctorZIn; Taiwan Bocks; ...
arNØ!d

For which Candidate should a conservative Democrat vote?

Tom   or   arNØ!d   ?

203 posted on 08/28/2003 11:42:42 PM PDT by Golden Gate
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To: Sabertooth
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER will I vote for Arnold -- So he hired Chuck Quackenbush's crooks!!!
204 posted on 08/28/2003 11:58:00 PM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: jfritsch
Well, I appreciate the depth of your reply, but disagree with your analysis. You are also relying on some incorrect information that you would recognize had you listened to his speech last week.

http://www.cspan.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=schwarzenegger

I am also on the search for a transcript of his statements, maybe that will help our two polarized factions find some common ground... well, a girl can hope ;-)
205 posted on 08/29/2003 12:06:25 AM PDT by Tamzee (Finish your beer. There are sober people in India.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
A vote for (R)nold or a vote for Bustamove. Same BS. Same dismantling of American family values.

Same arrogance.

Same ignorance.

Same handlers.

Same disregard for our state borders.

Same encouragement of language division.

Same socialist / marxist dole renamed 'entitlements' ( a criminal foreigner is entitled to take money from our paychecks to pay for schooling ( from K through PhD - while your children and mine are denied a classroom seat ), medical attention ( hospitals are closing ER services to Americans, because foreign outlaws have broken them financially ).

Same squeezing of every nickel I earn and needed for out of pocket expenses for the schooling, medical attention, and education my children can hope to get, while I'm paying for the free ride 'entitlements' they tell me is my obligation to outlaw foreigners.

Same blind eye toward deporting outlaw foreigners who are convicted of violent crimes; forcing Americans to pay for the prisons and parole administration of these people who have broken the law crossing the border, and have killed, rapped, robbed, burglarized, and assaulted peaceful American Citizens.

A vote for (R)nold. A vote for Bustamove. It's a continuation of the Gray Davis' attack on the ability of California families to provide a future for their children.

Different face. Same suit. Same problem.

206 posted on 08/29/2003 1:03:24 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
Paranoid much aren't we?
207 posted on 08/29/2003 1:06:57 AM PDT by Tempest (Tom McNader, dreams of a Cruz Bustamante victory.)
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To: Tempest
Just 20/20 vision.
208 posted on 08/29/2003 5:20:27 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: SunStar
McClintock is the conservative in the race. Funny, I thought we were all conservatives as well.

In the old days Free Republic was a conservative forum. Now it's an institution. It's lost its edge. The site is devolving into a vehicle for establishment Republicans to feed Kool-Aid daily to the mind-numbed masses. We get daily doses of photos of the President's day, for God's sake.

Today's Freepers, who I suspect are largely younger members of the hip-hop generation, are intoxicated with winning. Ideology is seen as something that might get in the way. It's all about segmentation and positioning, getting a workable majority. It's easier to "win" by pandering to a plurality of voter segments as opposed to leading them with the moral superiority of your ideas. Leadership is for us old school types.

Well, maybe the world has passed true conservatives by. Europe is lost to socialism, America is lost to socialism. Now politics is all about who will be better manager of our socialist, therapeutic state. So I say if California is to be socialist, let it be run by a true socialist. Let the big busted one have it, and vote your principles.

If conservatives will not hold the Republican Party accountable, who will? If Free Republic will not be a force for that mission, it is no more than a Republican propoganda machine.

209 posted on 08/29/2003 5:51:33 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: Reagan Man
Agreed, but I think the Repubs should make it clear that he doesn't represent the party or it's platform. He's just Gray-Lite.

Just look at Maryland, Repub Governor, Dem Legislature, now the Dems are going to raise taxes regardless and impose more stupid feel good laws.

Until or if the people are tired of the Dems and going to make a clean sweep. Give them the government they deserve. We really need some glowing examples for the rest of the country to see.
210 posted on 08/29/2003 6:29:40 AM PDT by helper
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To: JoeSchem
I'm so tired of this 'a vote for so-and-so is a vote for you-know-who.' If California won't vote for a bona fide conservative after all it's been through, then it deserves to become Mexifornia.

You are living in fantasyland if you think a conservative like McClintock has a chance of winning the recall.Change will come from the middle. Only when a Democrat is out of office can any gains for the right be made. Your "well if I don't get my way I will take my marbles and go home" attitutde does not change the fact that it will elect Bustamente.

211 posted on 08/29/2003 6:35:42 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: Publius6961
see it like this: I have 2 choices, Bustamante or McClintock. Period.

Congratulations. Bustamente thanks you for your support.

212 posted on 08/29/2003 6:38:16 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: Golden Gate
For which Candidate should a conservative Democrat vote?

Everyone should vote for Tom McClintock!

213 posted on 08/29/2003 6:41:42 AM PDT by tame (If I must be the victim of a criminal, please let it be Catwoman! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
So then you think a moderate CAN win?

Yes. I ask you , who was the last conservative to win a state wide office like Governor or Senator in California?

214 posted on 08/29/2003 6:42:17 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: Publius6961
Bustamante is so inept and clueless, he will make Davis look competent. Result? A nice quick and hopefully painless fiscal death and we can start over again.

This is the only good argument I have heard towards keeping Bustamente in office and it does have merit. But it's still not the same as trying to win a victory and your coupling the above statement with your support of McClintock indicates your acceptance already that McClintock will lose and Bustamente will win.

215 posted on 08/29/2003 6:48:31 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: massadvj
Today's Freepers, who I suspect are largely younger members of the hip-hop generation

I think you're wrong about this; most of the neo-con crowd here seem to be baby boomers, although they come from all ages.

But, yeah, I think we could use a booster shot of conservatism here.

It's one thing to rally around a moderate candidate like Bush who won the nomination, and was in a close race.

It's entirely another thing to support an unabashed liberal in a free-for-all.

216 posted on 08/29/2003 7:15:47 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
I think you're wrong about this; most of the neo-con crowd here seem to be baby boomers...

You could be right. But what I read between the lines of the pro-Ahnold posts is that politics is like some sort of video game. It's about winning and strategy as opposed to ideas and ideology. What better candidate can there be for video gamers than Arnold Schwartzenegger?

If you really are a conservative, and you support an unabashed liberal, what have you "won." You lose by winning, so to speak. But if all you care about is power then it doesn't really matter. Socialism can be embraced as a means to an end.

Ideologically. there is absolutely no difference between Joe Lieberman and Arnold. And yet, Lieberman is regarded as evil and Arnold a savior. Why? Party. I read one post that argued for Ahnold on the basis that he would give the party patronage jobs. In my widest imaginations, I never thought that the primary motivation of the less-government party would be to get patronage jobs for the faithful. But there it is, and very few seem to question it nowadays.

When we have devolved to the point that there is no ideological difference between the parties, then it's just about the game.

I think what's at stake is far too important to get reduced to that.

217 posted on 08/29/2003 7:43:39 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: Registered
Hey,it's a Mexican state, we need a Mexican governor.
218 posted on 08/29/2003 7:45:53 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: finnman69
In 1994 we won 4 statewide offices, Treasurer, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Insurance Commissioner and Governor. Matt Fong who won Treasurer is hard to categorize, but is often labeled as a conservative, Attorney General Dan Lungren - conservative, Secretary of State Bill Jones - conservative, Ins Comm Quackenbush - liberal, Gov Pete Wilson - liberal, so that's 2-1/2 to 2-1/2. Conservatives also took control of the Assembly that year, but it took 12 months before we were able to put conservative Curt Pringle in as speaker, thanks to moderate Paul Horcher who decided to vote for Willie Brown. moderate Michael Huffington running for U.S. Senate lost that year as did conservative Tom McClintock running for controller.

If you look at 1992 when conservative Bruce Herschensohn and moderate John Seymour were running for the two US Senate seats that were open you will notice that Herschensohn came within a whisker of beating Boxer, thanks to a last-minute dirty trick, but Seymour lost by a huge margin on the same ballot with the same group of voters.

If I had the time I could go on and on about 98, 2000, 2002, and how moderate nominees get beaten really badly and conservative's lose by small margins. In 2002 the party establishment threw about amillion dollars at the end to really liberal Republican Gary Mendoza running for Insurance Commissioner, who lost substantially. Everyone flipped the bird at McClintock who came within a fraction of a percent of winning.

219 posted on 08/29/2003 8:30:18 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: tame
... Everyone should vote for Tom McClintock!

Yes, everyone should but not enough will. Deal with it.

220 posted on 08/29/2003 8:31:59 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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