Should Schwarzenegger quit?

The Washington Times ^ | August 28, 2003 | Op-Ed

[TERMINATTOR]

Not really. Nor do we think Republicans Tom McClintock and Peter Ueberroth should get out of the race. At least not yet.

Well, maybe Mr. Ueberroth should. His blandness and lack of energy will not do.

The Democrats already have their Gray candidate. What's more, Mr. Ueberroth doesn't seem to be much more specific than Arnold Schwarzenegger, the frontrunner among Republicans currently in the race. But, then again, Mr. Ueberroth's nonpartisan pitch overrides his token Republicanism. For example, he's the only Republican in the race to oppose Proposition 187, the 1994 initiative barring state benefits to illegal aliens. Does this country-club Republican think he'll get Latino voters away from Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante? Indeed, in this crazy election, Mr. Ueberroth could end up with more Democrats and independent voters than Republicans.

[Bob J]

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[Tamzee]

You believe a social liberal can be a fiscal conservative

Can you just give me your opinion on something? I honestly want to know what you think about this because it might help me understand the other side's position in the debate. IF, as you say, Arnold is such a hopeless social liberal, and you are also confident in guessing that he is at heart a fiscal liberal... then what reason can you come up with to explain his being a very visible Republican for 2 decades and remaining one now? Not just "admitting" it when asked, but actively campaigning and fundraising for Republican candidates, etc.

IMHO, it becomes even more difficult to explain once you examine his marriage to a Shriver, surely his family life would have been more comfortable with the Kennedy clan if he switched to the Democrat Party... and if he was so "social" in all the important values then it would have been utterly painless for him to switch parties.

One other twist to this logic problem... IF, again as you say, he is liberal both on social and fiscal issues, why didn't he just run as a Democrat now? He could do so quite easily, simply saying that he still had a great deal of respect for the Republican Party, but that Maria had shown him that there is "much to admire in the Democrat platform" and he would run as a moderate Democrat? If his only supposed goal is to win the election and enact social programs and spending, he would completely sweep it by running as a (D) and being married to a Kennedy... why is he doing this the hard way by running as a Republican if he doesn't significantly believe in the GOP platform?

IMHO, this history contradicts the assumptions about Arnold and I'm curious how you fit these pieces together.

[RS]

Your answer seems to suggest that you agree with me, that the only reason "social liberialism" is bad is because it hits your wallet.

Sounds like you would prefer to pay for a womans abortion rather then paying her welfare.

Free government abortions for all ! Save that welfare budget !

[JoeSchem]

I'm so tired of this 'a vote for so-and-so is a vote for you-know-who.' If California won't vote for a bona fide conservative after all it's been through, then it deserves to become Mexifornia. And I don't think Schwarzenegger would stop it. Do you really think someone with such obvious self-esteem problems would ever stand up to his Hollywood buddies?

[Kay Soze]

yes he should quit.

how can a true conservative discount his behavior.

Would we discount Jane Fondas?

Arnie is and always has been a scumbag.

A very shrewd scumbag.

[RS]

"IMHO, this history contradicts the assumptions about Arnold and I'm curious how you fit these pieces together"

I'd love to see anything reasonable come out of Tom's supporters -

It's simply " Arnold is the Devil !"

... and if you ask anything about Tom - It's " go to his web pages and read about him " -

No facts to support anything.

[Tamzee]

No facts to support anything.

I just can't understand the basis of the assumptions... Arnold has never pretended to be 100% hard-core conservative, but some folks use that to equate him with a hard liberal. One gent even called Arnold a socialist.

All these debates are counter-productive when both sides can't even stipulate where Arnold's true position on the political spectrum and then strategize from there.

[RS]

I find an attitude from a lot of Tom's supporters similar to the Dems that were caught on the Capital speaker mikes saying how a bad economy helps them.

Tom's people seem to be licking their lips over a CA that is so screwed up that everyone will suddenly come to the revelation that McClintock was right all this time and anoint him feerless leader.

Perhaps they are fearfull that Arnold will somehow get things back on track and leave Tom standing in the dust saying "what was that ?

[Tamzee]

Good analogy in some cases, yep!

Most of the McClintock supporters are wonderful folks and I could only fault them for what in my honest opinion is less effective strategy in our hopes to advance conservative change. SOME McClintock supporters, however, are self-righteous, obnoxious snots ... pretty loud about it, too LOL

What I truly hope is that McClintock and Arnold join efforts, somehow, and McClintock is given a role that puts his experience and fiscal values to good use for California. And that this helps McClintock earn a future seat in the Senate where his dedicated conservatism can benefit our whole country :-)

[novacation]

"I do laugh at you, at the demise of what you hold dear, and look forward to the day when your ilk are universally held in contempt". Hilary? Is that you?

[TERMINATTOR]

You make an excellent point. Swartzie is more dangerous than Bustamove because he can rally the RINO's in congress and get the 2/3rds majority necessary to raise taxes. Bustamove could not get enough RINO's to raise taxes. McClintock might even be able to get enough Republican votes to LOWER taxes, and regulations, enough that businesses return.

[68 grunt]

How did you find out?

If you'd like to include yourself amoungst the intolerant and judgemental, please feel free. I'm not sure you can handle that much freedom, but go ahead.

[RS]

"McClintock might even be able to get enough Republican votes to LOWER taxes, and regulations, enough that businesses return."

Absurd notion-

The Republicans are the minority in both houses - With EVERY Republican vote, even those nasty RINO's in the legislature, he would not have enough votes to pass ANYTHING.

If he expects to get anything through he would have to get Democrats to vote for it - and considering the way his supporters treat fellow Republicans - I can't see him pandering to the Democrats.

[novacation]

You are projecting

[ApesForEvolution]

I wish I had the opportunity to NOT vote for Mr. S.

[ApesForEvolution]

Only a cat long in the teeth can see the fire for the smoke...good work.

[Publius6961]

All of you will be sorry, very very sorry.

Not I.
I see this as a rare win-win scenario.
It's McClintock or Bustamante for me.

A hope to save the state or a quick death.
I'll take either one.
Just spare me the slow death by terminator.
This crisis is not a learn-on-the-job-ooops opportunity.

[ambrose]

Bump!

I think it was Mark Twain, author of the American classics, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, who said that there are two ways to boil a live frog. The first involves heating the water until it boils and then throwing in the frog. It is likely the frog will feel the heat and jump out. The second involves putting the frog in a pot of cold water and then slowly heating up the water until it boils. He asserts that the frog will not realize the slow increase in temperature. It will change its body temperature to balance with the surrounding environment. By the time the frog realizes the water is too hot, it would have been boiled to death.

Like you, I recognize that the slow boil is a far greater danger to us than the quick boil.