'US SOLDIER ATTACKS TROOPS' [unsanitized discussion of MUSLIM treason suspect]

Sky News ^ | 3/22/03 | not given

[mondonico]

'US SOLDIER ATTACKS TROOPS'

An American Muslim soldier is understood to have carried out a grenade attack on a US military camp which injured 16 soldiers.

A second man, who is not a soldier, is thought to be held.

Three grenades were rolled into three tents housing military leaders of the 101st Airborne Division Saturday night at Camp Pennsylvania, home of the, near the Iraqi border, said Sky correspondent Stuart Ramsay, who is in the base.

The grenade that was rolled into the first tent, where the commanding officer sleeps, did not go off.

But two other grenades used to attack tents where the unit's majors and captains sleep did explode.

'Acting weird'

Ramsay watched as the suspects were held.

"Two men are being held, one of which is a Muslim soldier who is an engineer," Ramsay said.

"It appears he was hiding in a barrack where the attacks happened. A second man, who we believe is not an American soldier, is being held by the military.

"As the man who carried out the attack moved away there was some shooting. He was shot in the leg. He was held on the ground less than 100 yards from where the attack happened."

He said fears about the Muslim soldier's behaviour had been raised in recent days by colleagues.

Interrogation

"In recent days they were concerned about his behaviour and were not going to send him up to the front when the soldiers were going to be deployed."

It is not clear whether the soldier, who Ramsay said would have been in the Gulf for some weeks, had planned the attack before being deployed.

"To be honest we just do not know," Ramsay said.

"Talking to other soldiers, it could be that he was disgruntled. They said he had been acting 'weird' for days."

Eleven soldiers who were seriously hurt were flown out of the camp by helicopter.

[aomagrat]

When I was in Gulf War I, the CO of my ship rounded up a bunch of muslims in the crew and shipped them home. He didn't want to take any chances. It caused a stink for a short while, but he stuck to his guns. He later made admiral. This was before clinton sissified the military.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

If this soldier is not tried for treason (AND SHOT), we might as well surrender to our enemies right here and now.

[Calpernia]

>>>>I imagine the same rule would apply for a Muslim who hides his jihad sympathies.

Al-Taqiyah grants Muslims the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.") In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war against innocent American civilians).

[fivetoes]

This guy is who the anti war protesters support when they say they support our troops. This was taken at the San Francisco anti war rally on March 15th. I snatched this picture off of http://www.indybay.org/features/antiwar/ (not linked intentionally)and intend on keeping it just for these purposes.

This picture needs to be put every where to show America whose side these people are on.

BTW, I am just the messenger. I hope this will inspire you to take to the streets and show your support for our troops.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Muslims in the IDF are Druze and Circassians, who are generally viewed by other Muslims as heretics and kuffir.

Realistically, pro-Western Muslims will tend to come from hated minorities within Islam. On the other hand, those hated minorities include not just the Druze and the various bedouin groups, but also some very large groups, such as Sufis and even the Shia. These various minorities are all our natural allies, just as the smaller countries of Europe are our natural allies against the new French-German alignment. Too often on FR I see insulted those we should be trying to win over.

[RWG]

OK. I was informed that the Japanese isolation during WWII was not internment because it was specifically prohibited by the constitution. Please educate me.

[sheik yerbouty]

Tell me that the Shi'ite ayatollahs in Iran are our pals. I doubt that, "Steve Eisenberg"!

[Steve Eisenberg]

You know what? I've very curious about your post now. Can you support your statement about Muslims being in IDF? Cause I was once engaged to an Israeli soldier. He was not allowed to marry me unless I converted. So, this makes me curious about being Muslim and belonging to IDF. See, if he was not allowed to marry me unless I converted...this tells me that Israel has some pretty strict rules. How can you become an IDF if you are not a Jewish/Israeli national?

On Muslims in the IDF, see:

Druze, members of a small Islamic sect living in Israel's mountains, also serve in the IDF. In recent years, some Druze officers have reached positions in the IDF as high as Major General. Israeli Arabs, with few exceptions, are not obliged to serve, though they may volunteer. Six Israeli Arabs have received orders of distinction as a part of their military service; of them the most famous is a Bedouin officer, Lieutenant Colonel Abd El-Amin Hajer (also known as Amos Yarkoni), that has received the Order of Example. Recently, a Bedouin officer was promoted to the rank of Colonel.

As for not being allowed to marry, this is news to me. In the past there has been no civil marriage in Israel, so this is a situation in which those who would wed might have to do so abroad. Secular Israelis often marry in Cyprus. However, civil marriages are likely to legalized in Israel this year due to a secular party being in the new ruling coalition.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Tell me that the Shi'ite ayatollahs in Iran are our pals. I doubt that, "Steve Eisenberg"!

Of course not. I was thinking of the Shia Iranians who I hope will be overthrowing their cruel government.

[visualops]

Hear hear

[visualops]

LOL

My charities of choice at the moment are myself/family and FR, nothing else to spare.

That said, I still think he's a nutcase. He may well be a Muslim nutcase. People like that, whatever their background, rationalize their demented behavior in any number of ways.
I do think he should be put before a firing squad, regardless of his motives.

[Jeff Head]

He's a candidate IMHO for an onsite miltiary tribunal and summary execution.

They'd best get a handle on this ... apparently two Kuwaiti "contract translators" may also have been involved helping him. I have heard that in one case, when officers and others came out of the tent after the grenade was thrown in, they took those escaping under small arms fire.

Make an abject example of these enemies ASAP.

[Squantos]

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer
five times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
Islam--intolerance (Quran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.

Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either
dictatorial or autocratic.


Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.


Stay Safe

[aristeides]

Read the Supreme Court's Korematsu decision.

[Kozak]

Agreed he's nuts. I hope he's an isolated case and his type pr Islamic belief is not widespread among his fellow believers.

I've spent a lot of time reading about Islam since 9-11.
I've reread "Among the Believers", as well as "Beyond Belief", "Islam Unveiled", "What Went Wrong", "American Jihad", just to name a few books off the top of my head. Currently I'm on "KIngdom of Hatred". The more I read the more concerned I've become.

The actions of American Muslims have also concerned me. Rather then whole heartedly trying to support us, they try to make a rational attempt to identify the threat some kind of PC hate crime. If you visit sites like "CAIR" on the web it's all about reporting any suspected offence, trying to get sympathetic press coverage or filing lawsuits. As if we REALLY increase security by patting down 80 year old granma's as they travel with their grandkids.

The fact is that Islam in the US is heavily influenced by Wahhabi fundamentalism. Really nasty stuff. Most Mosques, Islamic schools, Organizations and Imans ( even in the US military ) are part of this group.

This attack on us from what amounts to a militant political branch of a religion strikes at us from a completely unprecedented direction. We are a nation with a history of separation of the religious from the secular. So our institutions are paralyzed in dealing with attack from this direction. How are we to protect ourselves from them, how do we know which observant Muslim is a good, loyal citizen, and which is what amounts to an enemy agent within our midst? Do we have to wait for that person to strike?

What I fear is that as events like yesterdays multiply, particularly if another domestic disaster occurs like 911, that in self defence the people will react, and it won't be pretty for any Muslim who remains in the US.

[jeremiah]

Nice to hear of great men and women in these troubled days.

[RWG]

Well that did it, thanks.

[Duramaximus]

Let me be on the firing squad.

You and about 200 million others in the country.

Dang..... I suppose it is too late to get my name on that list. Does anyone else see a pattern here? First the Beltway Sniper, now this bastard.

I suspect there are more waiting in the wings.

[Mears]

It is a Fox affiliate, very popular in the U.K.

[Mears]

Black rage!!!!