Posted on 03/03/2024 5:28:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
How is his admission propaganda?
Isolationist drivel
Did this CIA nonsense happen under Trump?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/13/ukrainian-shell-russian-border-town-donetsk?CMP=twt_gu
https://online.wsj.com/articles/ukrainian-government-troops-target-further-gains-in-east-1404644564
And it wasn’t the only time Donetsk was shelled.
That’s pretty deliberate.
There was shelling on both sides. There were civilian casualties on both sides. And no, these were not deliberate.
Now do you want to talk about the Russian shelling of Ukrainian cities that has been going on for two years?
Ukraine had been shelling Donetsk for weeks.
And we shouldn’t be involved, at all.
A war has been going on for ten years. Military objects in Donetsk are legitimate targets. Don't try to make me belief that the Ukrainians, fighting for their lives and short on ammunition, are wasting it on civilian targets. Now what about the Russian shelling of Ukrainian cities that has been going on for two years?
And we have no business being involved.
Stopping Russian aggression is in our long term interest, just as it was to stop the Soviet Union.
Funny, the “russian aggression” wouldn’t exist if the Maidan coup didn’t happen.
Russian aggression was going on even before the fall of Yanukovych, although it was political, not military. The Maidan rebellion was response to that aggression. Whatever its causes, however, this does not justify Russia's invasion in 2014. The internal politics of Ukraine were the Ukrainian's to settle, not Russia. In any case, the events of 2014 cannot be used to justify Russia's second invasion in 2022. There were two national elections since then. The conflicts that arose in 2014 could have been resolved peacefully by the Ukrainians if the Russians had not intervened.
Actually, no.
The government we toppled was on good terms with Russia and by Hillary THAT COULD NOT STAND, so oops, Maidan Coup.
And where did that get us?
Untold thousands dead, Zelensky tweaking on TV, and people online drumming for another pointless war we have no business being involved in.
Yanukovych was on too good of terms with Russia. He betrayed Ukraine by selling out to the Russians and reneging on the Ukraine-EU agreement that he had earlier supported and which had been approved by the parliament. The Ukrainian people, not the CIA, removed him. In any case, there were two elections afterwards in which the Ukrainian people, not the CIA, chose the president. Any CIA involvement was incidental. Maidan would have happened without it. The CIA is not the all-powerful boogeyman that some believe. Regardless of what had happened in 2014, it does not justify Russia’s invasion.
Putin poison a president of Ukraine a decade before 2014. But the nutbags are not interested in the historical facts at hand here. There’s no armchair fun in that, apparently.
Add forced military service, kidnapping men to fight.
Yup.
And there’s posters here that think all of this is okay and hand wave away everything.
Now there’s a convoluted way to say “We meddled where we should not have.”
Yeah, and?
How is that our problem?
Why do we need to interfere?
Of course we meddled, just like the Russians meddled. Both of us have meddled all over the world. But the CIA did not cause Maidan, the Ukrainian people did in response to Russian meddling. Or were the Ukrainian people just suppose to accept Yanukovych’s surrender of Ukraine to Russian control?
there are a whole bunch of Federal Agencies inflicting their idiocy on America at this point
Nothing could hold back the USA if Fed.gov was downsized 60-75%
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