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A Different Type of Secession Is Already Happening in the USA
Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2021 | Jeff Crouere

Posted on 01/31/2021 5:55:31 AM PST by Kaslin

Lately, there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as president of the United States.

Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.

Never forget that many individual state legislators are professional politicians. They may disagree with some of the policies that flow from Washington D.C., but they are not angry enough to vote for secession, and that is what is required to secede, anger. While an official secession will not happen, there will be a different type. In fact, it has already started in our country.

Instead of state legislatures, dominated by urban dwellers, voting for secession, Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own. They are disassociating themselves from the lifestyles, cultural mores, laws, and self-inflicted wounds exhibited in our large cities.

Of course, rural Americans are already living in areas removed from large cities, but geography is only one of the many differences. An even more striking distinction involves political ideology and attitudes on an array of issues like criminal justice.

Citizens living outside of ultra-progressive urban areas do not accept what is going on in large cities. Surely, the thinking is, “I am not one of them. They are different from me. We do not agree on basic things, like what laws should govern human conduct.”

This mental disassociation did not exist in previous times of crisis in our country. There was much more national unity in December of 1941 or even September of 2001. At that time, rural Americans and city dwellers still had many shared values and followed the same laws. Clearly, the similarity in culture and politics between rural and urban Americans is dying, and the pace of its death march is quickening.

This same type of disassociation is also felt by many Americans living in suburban areas. They recognize their way of life is incompatible with that exhibited in large cities. This results in suburban dwellers venturing into cities less often. Once there, they feel unsafe and unwelcome. According to the FBI, crime rates in our urban areas are significantly higher than in suburban and rural areas.

More crime is not the only difference Americans notice in large cities. There are also different laws regarding decency, civility, and cleanliness. Unfortunately, manners and traditional customs are rarely, if ever, practiced.

Many horrific things can happen to you in a large city without warning. You can be struck from behind in a “Knockout Attack” or wounded by a stray bullet. You can be surrounded by violent demonstrators who scream at you and call you evil because of your wealth, race, religious views, or political beliefs. This is not a place that feels comfortable or feels like home.   

Over the past few decades, millions of Americans who support traditional American values, and even some who value safety, have already left our large cities. They are disgusted with the political corruption, high taxes, racial politics, homelessness and, over the past year, the excessive Covid-19 lockdown orders. 

People leaving are also those who value their second amendment rights. They do not want to be charged with a crime if they have to defend their home. Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?

On June 28, 2020, their neighborhood was overrun by protesters and a mob was descending on the McCloskey’s home. The couple waved firearms in front of their home to encourage the protesters to leave. No gun was ever fired at any of the trespassers. Incredibly, Mr. and Mrs. McCloskey were charged with the unlawful use of a weapon even though they feared for their lives. If convicted, they could face up to four years in prison and a fine of $10,000.

As this trend continues and cities like St. Louis, Detroit, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Washington D.C., and New York City decline even more, these areas will simultaneously become more similar. They already have much in common politically. Future cooperation will likely continue on issues such as drug legalization, the treatment of homelessness, gun control, permissive law enforcement, and providing a sanctuary and support for illegal aliens. With so much commonality, these cities will forge even closer bonds in the days ahead.

With unworkable policies and massive bureaucracies, these cities will need greater and greater subsidies from productive, tax-paying citizens living in rural and suburban America. Urban areas have been failing financially for many years, but as the policies become more progressive, the costs are escalating even higher.

In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.

How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America” with their own laws and lifestyles.

Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more. 

The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; dividednation; rural; secession; urban; whencitiesdie; whencountriesdie
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1 posted on 01/31/2021 5:55:31 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

You couldn’t pay me enough to live in any city. Suburbs for me.


2 posted on 01/31/2021 5:59:36 AM PST by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: Kaslin

They recognize their way of life is incompatible with that exhibited in large cities. This results in suburban dwellers venturing into cities less often. Once there, they feel unsafe and unwelcome.


And we want them to feel unsafe and unwelcome when they come to our turf. How do we do that?


3 posted on 01/31/2021 6:04:53 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Kaslin

I live way out in the country, love it, and recommend it to everyone, but....

When cities die they take their civilizations with them.

History is _very_ clear on that point.


4 posted on 01/31/2021 6:05:06 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it.)
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To: yldstrk

More crime is not the only difference Americans notice in large cities. There are also different laws regarding decency, civility, and cleanliness. Unfortunately, manners and traditional customs are rarely, if ever, practiced.


Folks, now is the time to get close to our heritage.


5 posted on 01/31/2021 6:06:46 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Kaslin

California has seceded in fact. By declaring sanctuary and abrogating federal law, California has left the Union


6 posted on 01/31/2021 6:07:26 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) History: Pelosi was pitiful vindictive California crone)
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To: Kaslin

A nation divided cannot stand.................it will be all one or all the other.

There is going to be a fight, and we are in control as to when and how.


7 posted on 01/31/2021 6:09:37 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Kaslin

I live in a rural county 30 miles from Tallahassee. I try to go there as little as possible. A friend lives in what was a great little neighborhood off the TCC campus. He walked out to find that a black homeless man had stabbed a black store owner who shared their apartment parking lot. The store owner did not want to give the homeless guy any money. Even if he had given him money it would not have been enough or it would encourage him to return every day. The city had just moved the homeless shelter from down town to just off the TCC campus.

I have been approached by aggressive homeless even in Costco’s parking lot. Then there are the taxes. Wow. And, the city owns the electric company. Tallahassee has the highest rates in the state. One woman told me her electric bill used to equal her rent. She had to stop using the airconditioner.

The city governmental departments are predators, waiting to fine you for everything from leaving your garbage can out to having a fire in your back yard. All these are “self funded” departments. You have to write one heck of a lot of fines to cover wages and benefits. Their only existence is to pay for the wages and benefits of their office.


8 posted on 01/31/2021 6:10:27 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: PeterPrinciple
we want them to feel unsafe and unwelcome when they come to our turf. How do we do that?

Some tips:

--Say no to any new infrastructure projects in your small town. Mobilize the locals--no--forever.

--Same for local tax increases--no--forever. If the town can't afford to provide the same level services--oh well.

--Keep tough zoning restrictions--if anything tighten them for new construction.

--No new schools. They are dying institutions anyway. Close the old ones first chance you get. Home schooling is what you want--the leftist teachers can go f&^% themselves.
9 posted on 01/31/2021 6:10:50 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it.)
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To: yldstrk

“You couldn’t pay me enough to live in any city. Suburbs for me.”
You got that right. I went from the Bronx NY to Paramus NJ (late 50’s) to Raleigh NC then retired here at the OBX NC. Nothing like a tranquil environment instead of the crowds every where you go.


10 posted on 01/31/2021 6:11:45 AM PST by duckman ( Not tired of winning!)
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To: cgbg

Another article today suggested we stop talking about Trump-he’s toxic to the left. Instead the subject should be ideas. My problem is that the global warming alarmists are too big and spread out all over the world. Then there’s BLM’s Nobel Prize nomination. Go figure.


11 posted on 01/31/2021 6:14:27 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (My issue would be incarceration. Where to put them? Illegals can be deported )
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To: yldstrk

Me either. Call me whatever you want, but all the drug addicts and the defecation on the sidewalks isn’t safe for my children.


12 posted on 01/31/2021 6:14:54 AM PST by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!)
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Good stuff by Jeff. Also on Pluto IIRC. Rudy on OAN right now.

Y is Under Armour made in CHY na?


13 posted on 01/31/2021 6:15:07 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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To: Gen.Blather

Sounds like it’s even more hellish than when I lived there. I couldn’t get out of Tally fast enough.


14 posted on 01/31/2021 6:15:09 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Kaslin

“urban areas, cities, inter-cities” these are all “dog whistle” terms when used, simply means that you are a racist. That’s why the problem can never be discussed and, thus, no solution can be achieved. Btw, this is the number one reason Trump had to go and why COVID had to be more than just a flu. A booming economy, the lowest levels of unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics, Women, etc. CANNOT BE PERMITTED.


15 posted on 01/31/2021 6:16:34 AM PST by McBuff (To be, rather than to seem)
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To: yldstrk

Murders in small cities like ALBANY Schenectady and Troy all in New York are skyrocketing. Who would live 9r send kids to college there?


16 posted on 01/31/2021 6:17:04 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: cgbg
Me too, we live on big acreage with no neighbors within site or sound, in Oregon. Portland is 3 hours away from us, so we are somewhat protected, but not by the freaking gun and environmental laws they want to pass.

We are in a red county with the DA and Sheriff very conservative, but still not shielded from the leftys utopian plans. Democrats have the legislature, the Governor, the SOS and the AG, living in rural areas will not protect us from whats coming this year from Oregon's state lawmakers.

17 posted on 01/31/2021 6:18:03 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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Rudy gave copies of hard drive to W. Times, Delaware St. police and FBI. Rudy will not be able to represent DJT in impeachment trial.


18 posted on 01/31/2021 6:18:11 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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To: Kaslin

They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America” with their own laws and lifestyles.


History as done the City States approach before. It is interesting history. And this is a strategy to break apart the centralized power. Many mayors/governors are jealous of the centralized federal power and want their own power.

Divide and conquer. It works. But you may end up with a French revolution instead of an American style revolution.

If I shake you awake in the middle of the night and ask you, “What are you fighting FOR?” After you reach for your gun, what do you tell me?

Our Founding Fathers could answer that question under those circumstances. Can you?


19 posted on 01/31/2021 6:19:21 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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OAN In Focus...right now. Coming Up...Biden’s destructive plans for America.


20 posted on 01/31/2021 6:20:20 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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