A Different Type of Secession Is Already Happening in the USA

Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2021 | Jeff Crouere

[KL2020]

Hi: I also live in a small town 40 miles from Tallahassee. In reference to the utilities, my sister owned a very small home out past Tallahassee Mall and this was in the 1990’s and her utilities were upwards of $300 per month. Which to me, is very high

[PeterPrinciple]

Realize you have control. It may cost you, but freedom is not free. At least you can live with yourself.

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Repeat LOUD and OFTEN..........................

[itsahoot]

Most country dwellers could not live without electricity or even public water for many of them.

Of course, but they have lived that way all their life, most country people do not live that way and you know it. And by the way they cheat, a lot. They won't dial a phone but if you dial it and hand it to them they will. They also drive tractors to town instead of horses to church on Sunday.

I was not trying to sew discourse, just pointing out that 99% of people could not live today without electricity because we have chosen to live this way. Amish have chosen not to live the way we do and could survive.

Have you ever sawed ice from the river in the winter and buried it in straw so you could keep meat fresh for a day or two without smoking or canning it? I have lived in hard times when a block of ice was more than the budget could stand, most people today would have no clue how to do anything to survive without electricity, gasoline or any form of power. Have you ever eaten a blackbird, meadowlark ? Killed and eaten a cotton tail, opossum or tried to eat a jack rabbit? I have and I don't want to try it again at my age, but I suspect I could survive for a while, but not without multiple medicines that I now take daily.

Without power all those things disappear and they won't come back easily. That is why may people have worried about our integrated electricity network could be easily taken out, maybe they are right maybe not but they are not wrong about the destruction that would happen if we lost it. Most predict that 90% or more would die.

ps I lived in an Amish neighborhood for years.

[gitmo]

I need to add a backup for my router.

[exDemMom]

Pfft!

CHOICE has killed 62.5 million...

so far...

One of the things I like to do is to compare daily Covid-19 deaths to daily deaths by abortion (US numbers only).

Heart disease and abortion are our two top killers. According to 2018 numbers (the most recent year of finalized data), abortion killed about 1748 babies per day (reported) or 2363 babies per day (Guttmacher institute estimate+reported). Heart disease kills about 1796 per day.

On 55 days since Nov 20, Covid-19 killed more people daily than abortion (the reported number). On 37 days, Covid-19 killed more than reported+estimated abortions. On 6 days, Covid-19 killed more than heart disease and abortion (reported+estimated) combined.

The death rate from Covid-19 today was 1.685%. That is the overall death rate; if you want to know your personal risk of dying if you catch Covid-19, here is an online calculator.

Would you get on board an airplane if 1.685% of all airplanes crash and kill all aboard? Would anyone fly if the risk was that high? Yet people shrug off the real risk of dying from Covid-19 as if it's nothing.

[piasa]

It makes no sense to compare the average daily deaths from abortion to selected [non-averaged] days of reported covid deaths, it’s apples to oranges. The average deaths from abortion per day is only comparable to the average covid deaths per day over the same period.

[Elsie]

Would you get on board an airplane if 1.685% of all airplanes crash and kill all aboard?

First; you have to make it to the airport.

THEN you have to be a passenger.

We must calculate the rate of folks that actually GET covid; THEN the death rate FROM covid might make more sense.

The death rate of ABORTION is around 20-25% of ALL viable pregnancies!

Given that data, I'd guess that most fetuses would rather being flying in the belly of the plane than traveling in it's mother's womb!!

[exDemMom]

It is impossible to do a head to head comparison of the number of people who died from abortion or heart disease on any given day to the number who died of Covid-19 on that day, because heart disease, abortion, and all of the other top killers are given as yearly totals. Therefore, to make the comparison, I have to use the daily average of heart disease or abortion deaths when illustrating that yes, Covid-19 really is a major killer of people in the US.

During the most recent 24 hour period, 3,913 people in the US died from Covid-19. This is significantly more than died of any of the top killers. At this rate, it will not be long before Covid-19 has killed more people in a year than heart disease or abortion. Neither heart disease nor abortion is contagious, so their death rates do not change much yearly. Covid-19, however, can theoretically infect every person in the US. At the current 1.697% death rate, that would result in a LOT of deaths.

[exDemMom]

First; you have to make it to the airport.

THEN you have to be a passenger.

I'm not sure of your point. What I am trying to illustrate is that if you catch Covid-19, you have a very real chance of dying from it (today's death rate is 1.697%). And you do have a very real chance of catching Covid-19. In the last 24 hours, 121,751 new cases of Covid-19 were diagnosed. The numbers of new cases have been recently dropping, but have been over 200k on most days since mid November.

If you knew that there was a 1.697% chance that every airplane will crash, would you still buy a ticket to travel by airplane?

There is a 1.697% overall chance of dying if you catch Covid-19 (your personal chance may vary; you can use the Covid-19 calculator to determine your personal risk). Knowing that, are you taking measures to avoid catching Covid-19? Do you keep your distance from people? Do you wear a mask properly?

If you would not get on board aircraft if you knew that 1.697% of them crash fatally, then why would you take chances with catching Covid-19, which is that deadly?

Your posts tell me that you do not take Covid-19 seriously. Therefore, your chance to catch it is higher than that of most people.

And my example of a high rate of fatal airplane crashes is completely hypothetical. I use that example because many people are scared to fly even though airplanes are the safest way to travel; the real chance of dying in a plane crash is one in 5.3 million. If you are scared to fly, but not concerned about catching Covid-19, your priorities are skewed.

[Elsie]

My point is that you have to actually CATCH Covid before it has a 1.697% chance to kill you.

The odds of catching it are:

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 USA population          Cases      Deaths

328.2 million (2019)     26.7M        456K   

 

 

 

  8.1% rate of contacting Covid      1.7% rate of dying from Covid     0.14% USA death rate

       26,700,000 / 328,200,000               467,000 / 26,700,000    467,000 / 328,200,000

 

[Elsie]

Last years data.....

 

 Cause,                                                         Number of deaths per year,              Percent of total deaths                  rate

1. Heart disease	635260	23.10	0.19%
2. Cancer	598038	21.70	0.18%
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries)	161374	5.90	0.05%
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases	154596	5.60	0.05%
5. Stroke	142142	5.18	0.04%
6. Alzheimer's disease	116103	4.23	0.04%
7. Diabetes	80058	2.90	0.02%
8. Influenza and pneumonia	51537	1.88	0.02%
9. Kidney disease	50046	1.80	0.02%
10. Suicide	44965	1.64	0.01%

 

[Elsie]

Way too many deaths have been misrepresented.

Dying FROM Covid gets stuff added into the category.
Dying WITH Covid should have it’s own category.

[Pining_4_TX]

Secession: It’s Constitutional

https://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-its-constitutional/

An oldie but goodie by Walter Williams. It was so sad when he died. There aren’t many like him.