A Different Type of Secession Is Already Happening in the USA

Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2021 | Jeff Crouere

[Kaslin]

Lately, there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as president of the United States.

Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.

Never forget that many individual state legislators are professional politicians. They may disagree with some of the policies that flow from Washington D.C., but they are not angry enough to vote for secession, and that is what is required to secede, anger. While an official secession will not happen, there will be a different type. In fact, it has already started in our country.

Instead of state legislatures, dominated by urban dwellers, voting for secession, Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own. They are disassociating themselves from the lifestyles, cultural mores, laws, and self-inflicted wounds exhibited in our large cities.

Of course, rural Americans are already living in areas removed from large cities, but geography is only one of the many differences. An even more striking distinction involves political ideology and attitudes on an array of issues like criminal justice.

Citizens living outside of ultra-progressive urban areas do not accept what is going on in large cities. Surely, the thinking is, “I am not one of them. They are different from me. We do not agree on basic things, like what laws should govern human conduct.”

This mental disassociation did not exist in previous times of crisis in our country. There was much more national unity in December of 1941 or even September of 2001. At that time, rural Americans and city dwellers still had many shared values and followed the same laws. Clearly, the similarity in culture and politics between rural and urban Americans is dying, and the pace of its death march is quickening.

This same type of disassociation is also felt by many Americans living in suburban areas. They recognize their way of life is incompatible with that exhibited in large cities. This results in suburban dwellers venturing into cities less often. Once there, they feel unsafe and unwelcome. According to the FBI, crime rates in our urban areas are significantly higher than in suburban and rural areas.

More crime is not the only difference Americans notice in large cities. There are also different laws regarding decency, civility, and cleanliness. Unfortunately, manners and traditional customs are rarely, if ever, practiced.

Many horrific things can happen to you in a large city without warning. You can be struck from behind in a “Knockout Attack” or wounded by a stray bullet. You can be surrounded by violent demonstrators who scream at you and call you evil because of your wealth, race, religious views, or political beliefs. This is not a place that feels comfortable or feels like home.   

Over the past few decades, millions of Americans who support traditional American values, and even some who value safety, have already left our large cities. They are disgusted with the political corruption, high taxes, racial politics, homelessness and, over the past year, the excessive Covid-19 lockdown orders. 

People leaving are also those who value their second amendment rights. They do not want to be charged with a crime if they have to defend their home. Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?

On June 28, 2020, their neighborhood was overrun by protesters and a mob was descending on the McCloskey’s home. The couple waved firearms in front of their home to encourage the protesters to leave. No gun was ever fired at any of the trespassers. Incredibly, Mr. and Mrs. McCloskey were charged with the unlawful use of a weapon even though they feared for their lives. If convicted, they could face up to four years in prison and a fine of $10,000.

As this trend continues and cities like St. Louis, Detroit, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Washington D.C., and New York City decline even more, these areas will simultaneously become more similar. They already have much in common politically. Future cooperation will likely continue on issues such as drug legalization, the treatment of homelessness, gun control, permissive law enforcement, and providing a sanctuary and support for illegal aliens. With so much commonality, these cities will forge even closer bonds in the days ahead.

With unworkable policies and massive bureaucracies, these cities will need greater and greater subsidies from productive, tax-paying citizens living in rural and suburban America. Urban areas have been failing financially for many years, but as the policies become more progressive, the costs are escalating even higher.

In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.

How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America” with their own laws and lifestyles.

Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more. 

The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.

[KL2020]

Hi: I also live in a small town 40 miles from Tallahassee. In reference to the utilities, my sister owned a very small home out past Tallahassee Mall and this was in the 1990’s and her utilities were upwards of $300 per month. Which to me, is very high

[PeterPrinciple]

Realize you have control. It may cost you, but freedom is not free. At least you can live with yourself.

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Repeat LOUD and OFTEN..........................

[itsahoot]

Most country dwellers could not live without electricity or even public water for many of them.

Of course, but they have lived that way all their life, most country people do not live that way and you know it. And by the way they cheat, a lot. They won't dial a phone but if you dial it and hand it to them they will. They also drive tractors to town instead of horses to church on Sunday.

I was not trying to sew discourse, just pointing out that 99% of people could not live today without electricity because we have chosen to live this way. Amish have chosen not to live the way we do and could survive.

Have you ever sawed ice from the river in the winter and buried it in straw so you could keep meat fresh for a day or two without smoking or canning it? I have lived in hard times when a block of ice was more than the budget could stand, most people today would have no clue how to do anything to survive without electricity, gasoline or any form of power. Have you ever eaten a blackbird, meadowlark ? Killed and eaten a cotton tail, opossum or tried to eat a jack rabbit? I have and I don't want to try it again at my age, but I suspect I could survive for a while, but not without multiple medicines that I now take daily.

Without power all those things disappear and they won't come back easily. That is why may people have worried about our integrated electricity network could be easily taken out, maybe they are right maybe not but they are not wrong about the destruction that would happen if we lost it. Most predict that 90% or more would die.

ps I lived in an Amish neighborhood for years.

[gitmo]

I need to add a backup for my router.

[exDemMom]

Pfft!

CHOICE has killed 62.5 million...

so far...

One of the things I like to do is to compare daily Covid-19 deaths to daily deaths by abortion (US numbers only).

Heart disease and abortion are our two top killers. According to 2018 numbers (the most recent year of finalized data), abortion killed about 1748 babies per day (reported) or 2363 babies per day (Guttmacher institute estimate+reported). Heart disease kills about 1796 per day.

On 55 days since Nov 20, Covid-19 killed more people daily than abortion (the reported number). On 37 days, Covid-19 killed more than reported+estimated abortions. On 6 days, Covid-19 killed more than heart disease and abortion (reported+estimated) combined.

The death rate from Covid-19 today was 1.685%. That is the overall death rate; if you want to know your personal risk of dying if you catch Covid-19, here is an online calculator.

Would you get on board an airplane if 1.685% of all airplanes crash and kill all aboard? Would anyone fly if the risk was that high? Yet people shrug off the real risk of dying from Covid-19 as if it's nothing.

[piasa]

It makes no sense to compare the average daily deaths from abortion to selected [non-averaged] days of reported covid deaths, it’s apples to oranges. The average deaths from abortion per day is only comparable to the average covid deaths per day over the same period.

[Elsie]

Would you get on board an airplane if 1.685% of all airplanes crash and kill all aboard?

First; you have to make it to the airport.

THEN you have to be a passenger.

We must calculate the rate of folks that actually GET covid; THEN the death rate FROM covid might make more sense.

The death rate of ABORTION is around 20-25% of ALL viable pregnancies!

Given that data, I'd guess that most fetuses would rather being flying in the belly of the plane than traveling in it's mother's womb!!

[exDemMom]

It is impossible to do a head to head comparison of the number of people who died from abortion or heart disease on any given day to the number who died of Covid-19 on that day, because heart disease, abortion, and all of the other top killers are given as yearly totals. Therefore, to make the comparison, I have to use the daily average of heart disease or abortion deaths when illustrating that yes, Covid-19 really is a major killer of people in the US.

During the most recent 24 hour period, 3,913 people in the US died from Covid-19. This is significantly more than died of any of the top killers. At this rate, it will not be long before Covid-19 has killed more people in a year than heart disease or abortion. Neither heart disease nor abortion is contagious, so their death rates do not change much yearly. Covid-19, however, can theoretically infect every person in the US. At the current 1.697% death rate, that would result in a LOT of deaths.

[exDemMom]

First; you have to make it to the airport.

THEN you have to be a passenger.

I'm not sure of your point. What I am trying to illustrate is that if you catch Covid-19, you have a very real chance of dying from it (today's death rate is 1.697%). And you do have a very real chance of catching Covid-19. In the last 24 hours, 121,751 new cases of Covid-19 were diagnosed. The numbers of new cases have been recently dropping, but have been over 200k on most days since mid November.

If you knew that there was a 1.697% chance that every airplane will crash, would you still buy a ticket to travel by airplane?

There is a 1.697% overall chance of dying if you catch Covid-19 (your personal chance may vary; you can use the Covid-19 calculator to determine your personal risk). Knowing that, are you taking measures to avoid catching Covid-19? Do you keep your distance from people? Do you wear a mask properly?

If you would not get on board aircraft if you knew that 1.697% of them crash fatally, then why would you take chances with catching Covid-19, which is that deadly?

Your posts tell me that you do not take Covid-19 seriously. Therefore, your chance to catch it is higher than that of most people.

And my example of a high rate of fatal airplane crashes is completely hypothetical. I use that example because many people are scared to fly even though airplanes are the safest way to travel; the real chance of dying in a plane crash is one in 5.3 million. If you are scared to fly, but not concerned about catching Covid-19, your priorities are skewed.

[Elsie]

My point is that you have to actually CATCH Covid before it has a 1.697% chance to kill you.

The odds of catching it are:

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 USA population          Cases      Deaths

328.2 million (2019)     26.7M        456K   

 

 

 

  8.1% rate of contacting Covid      1.7% rate of dying from Covid     0.14% USA death rate

       26,700,000 / 328,200,000               467,000 / 26,700,000    467,000 / 328,200,000

 

[Elsie]

Last years data.....

 

 Cause,                                                         Number of deaths per year,              Percent of total deaths                  rate

1. Heart disease	635260	23.10	0.19%
2. Cancer	598038	21.70	0.18%
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries)	161374	5.90	0.05%
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases	154596	5.60	0.05%
5. Stroke	142142	5.18	0.04%
6. Alzheimer's disease	116103	4.23	0.04%
7. Diabetes	80058	2.90	0.02%
8. Influenza and pneumonia	51537	1.88	0.02%
9. Kidney disease	50046	1.80	0.02%
10. Suicide	44965	1.64	0.01%

 

[Elsie]

Way too many deaths have been misrepresented.

Dying FROM Covid gets stuff added into the category.
Dying WITH Covid should have it’s own category.

[Pining_4_TX]

Secession: It’s Constitutional

https://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-its-constitutional/

An oldie but goodie by Walter Williams. It was so sad when he died. There aren’t many like him.