No masks? Retail employees are not law enforcement officers

Hotair.com ^ | July 12, 2020 | JAZZ SHAW

[discostu]

Why? Maybe 20 years ago there could be gain from RFID but the thing with RFIDs is they’re short range and you need RFID readers all over the place. In this modern world where almost everybody has a cellphone in their pocket, which gives your positional data on much wider range with no additional hardware. There’s no there there. And really, you’re probably paying with a credit card, so privacy on that front was dead a long long time ago.

[Falconspeed]

"What if the customer or visitor refuses to don a mask?"

I experimented and did that last week at a coffee shop. I walked into the coffee shop without a mask, approached the counter, and they guy behind the counter with an apron said, "No mask, no service." Then he made a mistake. "And you cannot be in the store without a mask." I said, "Ok. I'll stand here away from the counter until the police show up." He said, "Fine." He called the police, remained on hold for five minutes, looked at me angrily, and I smiled back. Then I left and got coffee at another shop that does not require a mask. Silly. The police do not have time to remove a peaceful customer from a store.

[Maskot]

Can you point me to where that diktat has been passed legally by any state legislature making it law??? And don’t tell me to google it. I am asking you the question. There’s zero federal LAW. Zero state LAW. Only diktats.

[discostu]

Emergency powers are broad, and have stood up in court, repeatedly.

[Alberta's Child]

In most of these cases, the mask requirement is primarily a matter between the retail store owner and the government. The customer is just caught in the middle of it.

The story I posted in #12 is a perfect example of a retailer who has cleverly managed to tell the government to get lost while at the same time avoiding a situation where it pisses the customers off.

[Maskot]

Certain ones, yes. This is not one of them. Arresting people for not wearing something “they” think is helping but doesn’t, will not fly. I know I wouldn’t pay any fine and God help any police department that arrests me for not going along with their farce of a diktat.

[who knows what evil?]

“Due to the governor’s COVID-19 orders, all customers are required to wear a face covering in this establishment. If you come in without one, we will assume you have a medical condition that prevents you from wearing one. Thank you.”

Perfect.

[discostu]

Actually very much this. They can order evacuations. Martial law. Asset seizure. Very little they can’t do in a “state emergency”. And even less guidance and what is or isn’t a “state of emergency”.

[Maskot]

And it perfectly addresses the current covid crazy! Love it

[wastedyears]

That market is going to get crushed.

[Blue Highway]

I’m talking about the biblical mark of the beast. What will YOU do when confronted with that choice?

[willyd]

At one time the store policy was blacks to the back of the bus and separate water fountains...

[Kaslin]

You did good.

[Kaslin]

Absolutely

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

It’s not virtue signalling.

Yes, it is.

A real medical mask is useful for preventing the spread of bacterial infections which is why they are worn in surgery.

It does almost nothing to prevent the spread of viruses. And the bacterial laden cloth things are a health hazard.

It’s not being an ass.

Actually asking people to do a worthless kowtow to your superstitions is indeed being an ass.

Having done time in retail I know much it can suck.

As I said I do it six days a week. Occasionally I run into a sucky customer. Much more often I run into a sucky government regulation.

I also know how little of what people mad at them for they have any say in.

I have no idea how to respond to that as your thought is unclear. Are you saying that the retail employee has little control over things that might be the cause of customer irritation?

But that is contradicted by your next statement.

And finally I know just how many little tools they have available to them to exact revenge. It’s amazing how many discounts I’ve gotten just by being nice. And out of stock items suddenly found in the back.

So they have no control except when they do. Uh-huh.

All kinds of good stuff happens just by remembering that they’re people and deserve to be treated with basic human dignity.

I have found that to be the case with customers. If you just are nice to them and do your best they are generally nice in return. It helps to remember that they are the ones paying you.

And the customers are definitely NOT fine. All these confrontations making their onto youtube are entitled jerks.

It seems to be a case of "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing". The employees I am seeing in the youtube posts are power tripping like a just elected democrat.

You are a retail employee, yes, yes, yes.

You are not a police officer, no, no, no.

The customer is the reason you get, paid, paid, paid.

Forget that and you will be, broke, broke, broke.

[Kaslin]

No wonder the store is prominent.

[Mastador1]

But retail employees enforce such rules all the time. No shirt, no shoes, no service. Shoplifters.

It doesn't matter one damn bit if it's some BS executive order. If a private business sets a policy that masks are required and must be worn on the premises that's their right and the employees as agents of the business do have the responsibility to enforce the rules or face termination. Whoever thought this " Retail employees are not law enforcement officers" was some sort valid, logical argument doesn't have a firm grasp of the private business/private property principal. We all have the right to not patronize any retailer whose policies we disagree with. Of course right now that could leave you SOL for food and merchandise unless you do all your shopping on line.

[IrishBrigade]

‘I was almost kicked out of Safeway about 1/2 hour ago.’

I got into a tiff about masks today with a store manager; I had written BAAA! BAAA! on my mask, to express my disdain for being forced to wear them, and this apparently triggered someone, a busybody female I suppose, who told the manager that my mask was not over my nose...and, instead of nodding and forgetting about as an intelligent person would do, he confronted me, and I blew up...I wish I had acted better, had not not used the language I used, but I was pissed...then I was was heckled about not being Christian by a bunch of tight pantied females, all because people are so stupid as to believe respiration from the nostrils is going to infect someone...

just some stupid, stupid people out there; I could see if I hadn’t worn a mask at all, but petty shit like this over my nose being free to breathe the way it is supposed to be...?

[IrishBrigade]

‘Getting confrontational and crappy with the employees is stupid.’

what if you have been confronted by a manager not for being maskless, but because someone ratted on you that your nose wasn’t covered; especially when a number of the employees keep their noses uncovered for periods of time...?

[IrishBrigade]

‘Or simply pull them down under their noses therefore rendering them totally ineffective. But hey, you have your mask on.’

you really think people breathing through their nostrils are going to infect someone...? the masks over the mouth can stop coughs, and if a sneeze occurs, it can be pulled back up instantly...but if you’re thinking breathing normally is constituting a mortal danger in a store, then, I don’t know what to tell you, bud...