Skip to comments.No masks? Retail employees are not law enforcement officers
Posted on 07/12/2020 11:11:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
One aspect of the various executive orders being issued all around the country impacts most retail businesses and private social groups, as well as public offices and spaces. Many of these EOs require stores and other public-facing operations wishing to reopen to mandate the wearing of face masks for not only employees but visitors to the establishment. This is quite common where I live, and the rules apply to most operations in a large number of states. But such an order leaves one very big question unanswered. What if the customer or visitor refuses to don a mask? Who is responsible for forcing them into compliance or physically blocking their entrance to the facility? Thats a question plaguing some of the nations major employers this month. NBC News published a brief report on this topic this week. (YouTube)
Countless viral videos show retail and restaurant employees taking heat from customers over mask requirements. While some business owners are training staff on how to deescalate the situation, others think employees shouldnt be the ones required to enforce mask policies.
While this may not sound like a huge deal to some people, at least at first glance, we have already seen numerous examples of just how wrong such a situation can go. One of the worst of them took place in France, where bus drivers were given the responsibility of not allowing any passengers onboard sans face mask. One bus driver attempted to follow this mandate by asking four passengers to put on masks before boarding. He was rewarded for his trouble by being dragged out of his bus and literally beaten to death. (CNN)
A bus driver in France who was beaten up by passengers refusing to wear mandatory face masks died in hospital Friday, French Prime Minister Jean Castex and the victims family have said.
Philippe Monguillot, 59, was left brain dead after the attack in the southwestern city of Bayonne on July 5. His family decided to switch of his life support on Friday, news agency Agence France-Presse reported.
We decided to let him go. The doctors were in favor and we were as well, the victims 18-year-old daughter, Marie Monguillot, told AFP. Four men were detained and charged following the assault.
Weve seen plenty of examples of similar incidents in the United States already, though thankfully none quite so brutal as this. But dont be surprised if the same thing happens in America at some point.
And that brings us to the question of the day. If the local, municipal or state government issues an order saying that masks are mandatory inside of stores, churches, or anyplace else in the private sector, whose responsibility is it to enforce that decree? Sure, the store can put up a sign saying that masks are required to enter and do business. I dont leave the house much these days (obviously) but Ive seen plenty of such signs on the rare occasions when Ive had to venture out. But what happens if someone ignores the sign and walks in anyway?
Certainly, an employee or manager could politely remind them, but the person could just as easily refuse. And then what? You can tell them that they wont be served and wait for them to give up and leave, I suppose. But if they become belligerent, youre probably going to have to call the cops on them. Given how long the average police response time is, you now have some time on your hands with a stock clerk or cashier facing down a potentially violent individual. And Im sure that stories about your place of business calling the cops on somebody looking to pick up a bag of grass seed will do wonders for your customer approval ratings.
Im not saying theres an ideal solution to this problem staring us in the face. There arent enough cops in any precinct in the nation to station one outside every Target, Walmart and gas station to make sure everyone is complying with the local mask orders. But its the consumer who refuses to wear the mask who should be held accountable if anyone must be. Fining or otherwise punishing businesses and churches for being unable to control the behavior of their customers or members can not be allowed as long as a good-faith effort was made to inform the public of the rules.
But retail employees enforce such rules all the time. No shirt, no shoes, no service. Shoplifters.
If a store has a sign demanding masks, I choose whether to wear a mask or shop elsewhere. They can’t enforce the “law” but they can make rules.
Also minimum age laws for nicotine products and alcohol.
wear it the top of your head like a hat
I am not sure how people can take on a retail employee who is simply trying to enforce their stores policy.
Dont those folks get enough crap from customers? Yes....yes, they do.
The French Revolution II? Innocent victims of stupid diktats.
[[What if the customer or visitor refuses to don a mask?]]
California security guard charged with murder after shooting customer who was not wearing mask
In the context of the article...
The same way bars police unruly drunks. Bouncers.
I was almost kicked out of Safeway about 1/2 hour ago. I had finished shopping, with out a mask, and stopped to ask customer service a question. “Sir, you must put a mask on.”
Couldn’t ask a question. If I hadn’t already paid for the groceries, I would have left them there.
Nice and simple. The business owner isnt there to enforce anyones stupid orders.
Contacted the local police and sheriffs office,,guess what? They dont want to be the mask police either,,they have more important things to do.
The Dems never dreamed it would be this easy to go full totalitarian on us. We are nothing but sheep! Sad we have some who frequent FR who are completely cool with this! F-ing fools!
That “shop elsewhere” works until your governor mandates masks to shop and sends out an army of Karen’s to punish businesses that don’t comply. There are a few stores I switched to because they were lenient on masks, but even they have tightened down for fear of reprisal. There is literally no store I know of near me that doesn’t require masks. But I am seeing a lot of people pulling them down once they get into the store.
That is where I find myself. If there is a store or a business that clearly states that masks are required, I respect that and wear a mask. If a sign says wear a mask or keep 6 feet away, I keep 6 feet or more away and don’t wear a mask. If the store gets crowded, I may or may not wear a mask, depending on what others I doing. I have seen up to 50% of people in a store not wearing masks. A week later, nearly everyone does. In county that has never exceeded 50 active cases and has a 0.16% positive test rate, I am not too concerned. That would change if I was in a highly infected area, but then again, I would never live in a city.
There is an ideal solution: STOP WHINING. If your area has instituted mask rules follow them, stop bitching and just do it. If your region hasn’t but a business has follow it or go elsewhere, stop bitching and just do one of those. Getting confrontational and crappy with the employees is stupid.
i wear a mask if the sign says i have to , but if i see 1 other person w/o it, i take mine off.
I’ve never been approached by an employee.
Many of these mandates offer exemptions for children under age 12 or for a medical reasons. I have not seen any requirement to provide proof of a medical exemption.
What is to stop a person from declaring he is medically exempt? And if I understand correctly, ADA and HIPPA rules do not allow the store employee to question what your medical condition is?
Everyone puts on a shirt and footwear.
Been like that for centuries.
Masks which will reduce your oxygen supply, increase your CO2 and act as a receptacle for germs are a different matter altogether. And thy don’t even work.
I refuse to wear em.
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