Posted on 07/12/2020 11:11:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
One aspect of the various executive orders being issued all around the country impacts most retail businesses and private social groups, as well as public offices and spaces. Many of these EOs require stores and other public-facing operations wishing to reopen to mandate the wearing of face masks for not only employees but visitors to the establishment. This is quite common where I live, and the rules apply to most operations in a large number of states. But such an order leaves one very big question unanswered. What if the customer or visitor refuses to don a mask? Who is responsible for forcing them into compliance or physically blocking their entrance to the facility? That’s a question plaguing some of the nation’s major employers this month. NBC News published a brief report on this topic this week. (YouTube)
Countless viral videos show retail and restaurant employees taking heat from customers over mask requirements. While some business owners are training staff on how to deescalate the situation, others think employees shouldn’t be the ones required to enforce mask policies.
While this may not sound like a huge deal to some people, at least at first glance, we have already seen numerous examples of just how wrong such a situation can go. One of the worst of them took place in France, where bus drivers were given the responsibility of not allowing any passengers onboard sans face mask. One bus driver attempted to follow this mandate by asking four passengers to put on masks before boarding. He was rewarded for his trouble by being dragged out of his bus and literally beaten to death. (CNN)
A bus driver in France who was beaten up by passengers refusing to wear mandatory face masks died in hospital Friday, French Prime Minister Jean Castex and the victim’s family have said.
Philippe Monguillot, 59, was left brain dead after the attack in the southwestern city of Bayonne on July 5. His family decided to switch of his life support on Friday, news agency Agence France-Presse reported.
“We decided to let him go. The doctors were in favor and we were as well,” the victim’s 18-year-old daughter, Marie Monguillot, told AFP. Four men were detained and charged following the assault.
We’ve seen plenty of examples of similar incidents in the United States already, though thankfully none quite so brutal as this. But don’t be surprised if the same thing happens in America at some point.
And that brings us to the question of the day. If the local, municipal or state government issues an order saying that masks are mandatory inside of stores, churches, or anyplace else in the private sector, whose responsibility is it to enforce that decree? Sure, the store can put up a sign saying that masks are “required” to enter and do business. I don’t leave the house much these days (obviously) but I’ve seen plenty of such signs on the rare occasions when I’ve had to venture out. But what happens if someone ignores the sign and walks in anyway?
Certainly, an employee or manager could politely remind them, but the person could just as easily refuse. And then what? You can tell them that they won’t be served and wait for them to give up and leave, I suppose. But if they become belligerent, you’re probably going to have to call the cops on them. Given how long the average police response time is, you now have some time on your hands with a stock clerk or cashier facing down a potentially violent individual. And I’m sure that stories about your place of business calling the cops on somebody looking to pick up a bag of grass seed will do wonders for your customer approval ratings.
I’m not saying there’s an ideal solution to this problem staring us in the face. There aren’t enough cops in any precinct in the nation to station one outside every Target, Walmart and gas station to make sure everyone is complying with the local mask orders. But it’s the consumer who refuses to wear the mask who should be held accountable if anyone must be. Fining or otherwise punishing businesses and churches for being unable to control the behavior of their customers or members can not be allowed as long as a good-faith effort was made to inform the public of the rules.
I will wear a mask in stores that request so, most are hanging by a thread already so why create further issues for them when they’re just trying to comply so they won’t be shut down..... most don’t have the resources to fight let alone fight off law suites.
I have a friend and her family who all go unmasked and when stopped in stores etc. claim medical exception......the employees say nothing more after that.
Does no work for you?
Because it works for me.
Very nicely done. Lol.
Depends on your no. No you won’t shop in a place that requires a mask, fine. No you won’t be polite and will get into confrontations with employees just following rules? You’re an ass and part of why life in retail sucks.
I’m tempted to write on my mask......”I can’t breath!”....giving it a whole new meaning!
This actually reinforces my view that even something as simple as a “public accommodation” law is blatantly unconstitutional.
“Karen” is the neighborhood busybody who is always complaining, posting passive-aggressive rants on social media, whose frequent diatribes are dripping with righteous indignation and fueled by a sense of moral superiority.
Masks are, for the most part, just a psychological stage prop. If you want EFFECTIVE protection, the use of a full-face transparent face shield protects your eyes as well, and affords a physical barrier to coughs, sneezes and the like, while still allowing facial recognition.
You don't give a shit about the next guy. That will cost you, eventually.
PS: You won't notice I said nothing regarding masks.
“If I hadn’t already paid for the groceries, I would have left them there.”
That would be childish and inconsiderate.
I agree with you. I will always either obey a sign on the door of a retail establishment or shop somewhere else. Getting into an argument with someone who has nothing to do with establishing the rules in the place is pointless and idiotic.
California security guard charged with murder after shooting customer who was not wearing mask.
Security guard charged with murder after shooting customer who wasn’t wearing mask
By: Cox Media Group National Content Desk
Updated: July 9, 2020 - 4:50 PM
GARDENA, Calif. — A California security guard who shot a customer who was not wearing a face mask was charged with murder by the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office.
Umeir Corniche Hawkins, 38, got into an argument Sunday with Jerry Lewis, 50, who walked into a market and was not wearing a face mask, prosecutors said.
Lewis left the store then returned. The fight got physical and Hawkins shot Lewis as he was walking to his car, investigators said.
Lewis was pronounced dead at the scene.
Hawkins was arrested and charged with murder and possession of a handgun by a felon. His bail was set at $1 million.
Sabrina Carter, Hawkins’ wife, was arrested and charged with possession of a handgun by a felon. Her bail was set at $35,000.
Both pleaded not guilty.
Prosecutors said they both were convicted for assault by means of force likely to produce great bodily injury in 2013.
Their next court appearance is Friday.
agreed
exactly right
healthy people shouldnt wear masks
“I can’t breeve!!”
So long as it goes no further than just telling me that I must either mask up or leave per company rules. But if you in any way attempt to place your hands on me for any reason as an employee someone is going to get hurt. I will not allow any store employee to physically assault me by placing their hands on me. Employees must understand their proper roles here so that they or their customers get hurt.
Ohio SC settled that issue in Ohio. They said no citizen or business can be compelled to enforce a law. The issue tried was over enforcement over the ban on smoking were businesses were required to enforce the smoking ban by calling the police. The SC ruled that no one has to “call” the police after a business was fined for not enforcing the law.
I cannot imagine this is any different.
Ohio SC settled that issue in Ohio. They said no citizen or business can be compelled to enforce a law. The issue tried was over enforcement over the ban on smoking were businesses were required to enforce the smoking ban by calling the police. The SC ruled that no one has to “call” the police after a business was fined for not enforcing the law.
I cannot imagine this is any different.
That’s prolly good advise.
What happens after that is up to them.
Mandated mask wearing has so many loopholes built into it that any employee who demands a customer wear a mask is out of line.
There is the age loophole, (because apparently the virus knows when you turn 12), the ADA loophole, (restricted your breathing is not healthy when you have lung problems) the religious loophole (just because) and the political protest (but only certain ones) loophole.
And those are only the ones I know about, I am sure there are more.
So thanks you Mister Virtue Signaler but I decline to join your dopey religious cult.
Or and life in retail is something I do on a six day a week basis. What sucks are the states acting like an ass. The customers are fine.
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