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How a lawsuit over Detroit schools could have an 'earth-shattering' impact
NBC News ^ | October 28, 2019 | Erin Einhorn

Posted on 11/01/2019 8:25:23 AM PDT by grundle

Helen Moore of Detroit leads a group of protesters outside the federal courthouse in Cincinnati last Thursday.

"Every school in the country would be affected," one expert said. "There could be a lot of litigation."

After two years of struggling to pass any of his community college classes, Jamarria Hall, 19, knows this for certain: His high school did not prepare him.

The four years he spent at Detroit’s Osborn High School were “a big waste of time,” he said, recalling 11th and 12th grade English classes where students were taught from materials labeled for third or fourth graders, and where long-term substitutes showed movies instead of teaching.

What’s less certain, however, is whether Hall's education in Detroit’s long-troubled school district was so awful, so insufficient, that it violated his constitutional rights.

That’s the question now before a federal appeals court that heard arguments last week in one of two cases that experts say could have sweeping implications for schools across the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Michigan; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: cincinnati; cultureofcorruption; detroit; education; helenmoore; jamarriahall; judiciary; michigan; naughtyteacherslist; neamia; ohio; teachersunion; thebellcurve
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1 posted on 11/01/2019 8:25:23 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I thought this had already been litigated, resulting in a finding that schools are never legally responsible for individual student outcomes.


2 posted on 11/01/2019 8:27:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Down with the ChiComs! Independence for Hong Kong!)
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To: grundle

Democrats do not want genuine education to thrive in minority neighborhoods.


3 posted on 11/01/2019 8:28:08 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: grundle

I’ve read through the U.S. Constitution for years, and I still can’t find a constitutional right to a free education anywhere.


4 posted on 11/01/2019 8:28:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: grundle

Can black students sue their peers for harassing them when they study saying “quit actin’ white”?


5 posted on 11/01/2019 8:29:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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To: grundle

But then, if too many students are held back/fail, then that’s racist. If there are too many black students in trouble/with discipline problems, then that’s racist.

Schools are between a rock and a hard place on this issue. Upgrading standards which cause students to flunk a grade or cause more to dropout, will be deemed racist.


6 posted on 11/01/2019 8:29:29 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: grundle

Should be at the state level.


7 posted on 11/01/2019 8:30:05 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: grundle

With judges ruling on things like this, why do we need legislatures anymore?


8 posted on 11/01/2019 8:31:13 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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To: grundle
After two years of struggling to pass any of his community college classes, Jamarria Hall, 19, knows this for certain: His high school did not prepare him.

I know this for certain. "Jamarria" blew his chance to pull his own black arse out of the toilet, and he ain't ever going to do it now.

9 posted on 11/01/2019 8:32:12 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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Actually I applaud Jamarria, government schools and the libs that run them need to be held accountable and that is exactly what Jamarria is trying to do.


10 posted on 11/01/2019 8:35:09 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: grundle

An uneducated voter is a good Democrat voter.

Intelligence makes slaves question their masters. The Democrat elite do NOT want that.


11 posted on 11/01/2019 8:36:21 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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He’s filing a Federal lawsuit. The U.S. Department of Education has almost no control over the zoo where this nitwit was allegedly “educated.”


12 posted on 11/01/2019 8:37:00 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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“I’ve read through the U.S. Constitution for years, and I still can’t find a constitutional right to a free education anywhere.”

No, but the founders certainly believed in a literate society. The hallmark of the political left is to have people that are controllable. The easiest way to do this is to have serfs who can’t think or reason but believe they can. The easiest way to do that is to give a false education.

So, while a strictly constitutional issue it is relevant to the government and the society at large has a clear and abiding interest in making sure that citizens are educated.

Having said that - I believe that public schools are child abuse. All public schools. Even the so-called “Good ones”


13 posted on 11/01/2019 8:37:51 AM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Students entering kindergarten should speak English.


14 posted on 11/01/2019 8:37:53 AM PDT by cnsmom
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To: Tax-chick

I would agree that litigation has occurred before. But in this case...the ‘kid’ reached some level of reality in realizing in the second year of community college that he wasn’t nowhere near prepared for what they were teaching.

No one says his level, but I would almost imagine that he’s basically at the 7th-to-8th grade level. He would need tutoring going on for a full-year to prepare for community college. No one is going to do that for ‘free’.

I had an associate I worked with around 2010. His son had finished up high school and the university had a math test requirement before entry. The kid then got a note after the test...he’d have to take a pre-college math class (in the $600 range) in that first semester. It counted for nothing toward a degree. His dad mounted a serious challenge on this, and they demonstrated that the kid wasn’t mathematically ready for college material.


15 posted on 11/01/2019 8:37:57 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Tax-chick

That’s correct. This problem can’t be solved in the courts, only by elections or armed revolts.


16 posted on 11/01/2019 8:38:59 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: grundle

If rats are FORCED by their buddies in black robes to actually educate students where will they get the money that will cost them? It will come from their vote buying slush funds. This is why this is so dangerous to Democrats.


17 posted on 11/01/2019 8:39:30 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The Constitution is an amazing document but not everyone has learned how to read it correctly. Remember how the map in LoTR had runes that could only be seen in moonlight? The Constitution is similar but to find many of the newer rights you have to hold it over a toilet and peer around the edge into the penumbras.


18 posted on 11/01/2019 8:39:49 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: grundle

Public schools are a 19th century paradigm that outlived its usefulness in the early 21st century. It’s two primary functions are a jobs program for government employees and supplying free daycare to parents that have sold themselves into indentured slavery.


19 posted on 11/01/2019 8:40:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Alberta's Child

The U.S. Department of Education should not exist. Education is a state and local issue with which the FedGov should not be involved.


20 posted on 11/01/2019 8:41:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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