Showdown: Is Dino Soft Tissue Just Bacteria?

Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | 6-18-19 | David F. Coppedge

[fishtank]

Showdown: Is Dino Soft Tissue Just Bacteria?

June 18, 2019 | David F. Coppedge

By dismissing dinosaur soft tissue as bacteria, Field Museum scientists may have given creationists a selling point.

Scientists at Chicago’s prestigious Field Museum of Paleontology have made a frontal assault on claims of original dinosaur proteins in dinosaur bones. The claims, made primarily by Mary Schweitzer at North Carolina State University, and by others, have invigorated young-earth creationists with alleged proof that the bones are only thousands of years old, not tens of millions. Are they wrong? Were they looking at bacterial biofilms masquerading as dinosaur proteins, blood vessels and blood cells?

[fishtank]

Just bacteria? Press release caption from 2018 find: “Dinosaur blood vessel with adjacent bone matrix that still contains bone cells. These structures have a perfect morphological preservation over hundreds of millions of years, but are chemically transformed through oxidative crosslinking. The extract comes from a sauropod dinosaur in Howe Stephen’s Quarry, U.S. (Image credit: Jasmina Wiemann/Yale University)” See 10 November 2018 entry.

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[FewsOrange]

An explanation of Schweitzer’s research

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur-shocker-115306469/

[ifinnegan]

Very interesting idea.

The sequence data, though, should be quite clear one way or another.

If the methodology is reliable. Perhaps it’s not.

Thanks for posting this.

[Telepathic Intruder]

If we limit God to our own understanding, does it make him more or less real?

[IrishBrigade]

‘...have invigorated young-earth creationists with alleged proof that the bones are only thousands of years old, not tens of millions.’

keep telling yourselves that,boys and girls, and it might somehow magically become true someday, somewhere...

[SpaceBar]

My money’s on partially hydrogenated palm oil. It’s in everything.

[sauropod]

Dang relatives don’t know enough to stay in the garage...

[IrishBrigade]

‘If we limit God to our own understanding, does it make him more or less real?’

is there some other sort of understanding of divinity that humans should have, other than our own...?

[sparklite2]

I’ve seen this before. If it’s ancient,
then it’s ancient bleached peanut husks,
used by primitives to hold pasties in place.

[JimRed]

It is fascinating, but only DONATED money should be spent on such research. Save public funds for useful purposes.

[Telepathic Intruder]

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

God's words, not mine. Human understanding just doesn't cut it.

[afsnco]

Thanks fishtank. So now “scientists” are claiming dino soft tissue can remain soft/gelatinous for 65 million years. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

[humblegunner]

I guess those poor dinosaurs got shot a couple months ago.

I’ve seen last year’s deer carcasses dry as a bone quite literally.

Who out there shoosting them poor ol’ dinos?

[ifinnegan]

‘...have invigorated young-earth creationists with alleged proof that the bones are only thousands of years old, not tens of millions.’

Yes. Quite a leap of logic.

Just because the bacteria is not old doesn’t mean what it’s growing in isn’t.

[Manly Warrior]

So, when a fossil bone is sawed in twain and lo and behold, ozy stuff is found inside ( mind you, these artifacts are 60 million years old), and they have been calcified eons ago and yet we are to accept that the protein content inside is not flesh/fleshy residue but bacterial meringue?

Sealed inside for some 60 million years yet not fossilized either ummm hmmm? I know a smoke grenade/obscurant when I see it.

Either the bones are not so old and the organic material is either flesh/y or bacterial, but not likely after 60 MILLION years or not?,

[justa-hairyape]

The end of the last ice age glacial, is when conditions occurred to promote human development. We have had numerous glacial and inter glacial periods since the continents split apart enough to limit ocean circulation. And science has no idea how the cold glacials end. The true history of this world, imho, will probably knock our socks off. A mix of science and religion. Science is the tool. God is the engineer.

[webheart]

Creationists are always looking for something anything to support their beliefs.

[Manly Warrior]

Humanists are always looking for something anything to support their beliefs.

[freedumb2003]

No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment.

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For so it had come about, as indeed I and many men might have foreseen had not terror and disaster blinded our minds. These germs of disease have taken toll of humanity since the beginning of things--taken toll of our prehuman ancestors since life began here. But by virtue of this natural selection of our kind we have developed resisting power; to no germs do we succumb without a struggle, and to many--those that cause putrefaction in dead matter, for instance--our living frames are altogether immune. But there are no bacteria in Mars, and directly these invaders arrived, directly they drank and fed, our microscopic allies began to work their overthrow. Already when I watched them they were irrevocably doomed, dying and rotting even as they went to and fro. It was inevitable. By the toll of a billion deaths man has bought his birthright of the earth, and it is his against all comers; it would still be his were the Martians ten times as mighty as they are. For neither do men live nor die in vain.

[bert]

Yes, after the softtissue is cosumed, only the consumng bacteria are left