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Microsoft will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
The Verge ^ | May 6, 2019 | Tom Warren

Posted on 05/07/2019 6:28:56 PM PDT by jonatron

“Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this Summer, we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel to underpin the newest version of the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL),” explains Microsoft program manager Jack Hammons. “The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19, the latest long-term stable release of Linux. The kernel will be rebased at the designation of new long-term stable releases to ensure that the WSL kernel always has the latest Linux goodness.”

Microsoft’s integration of Linux in Windows 10 will interface with a userspace installed via the Windows Store. It’s a big shift for Microsoft, and marks the first time that the Linux kernel will be included as part of Windows. It sounds like this Linux kernel integration will be available later this year, with a Windows 10 update that’s codenamed 19H2.

For developers it should dramatically improve the performance of Microsoft’s Linux subsystem in Windows. Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows Update, and it will be fully open source with the ability for developers to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

(Excerpt) Read more at theverge.com ...


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KEYWORDS: chat; didyousearch; linux; win10; windows; windows10; windowspinglist
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em
1 posted on 05/07/2019 6:28:56 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: jonatron

No more need to dual-boot or have a VM.


2 posted on 05/07/2019 6:30:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: wattojawa

Ping.

Whadya think?


3 posted on 05/07/2019 6:31:17 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: All

A kernel? Cheapskates. I want the whole cob.


4 posted on 05/07/2019 6:37:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (AOC is the Democrat prophecy come true : "A bartender will lead them".)
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To: jonatron

If Steve Ballmer had done this 15 years ago, he wouldn’t be worth $48 million today...


5 posted on 05/07/2019 6:41:45 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: jonatron

Can MS hook into Linux and reduce it’s secure nature? Not using Windows 10 until I absolutely have to (Win 7 Pro or die, at this point).


6 posted on 05/07/2019 6:47:00 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: jonatron

“If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”

LOL. Windows is right at 90% of the desktop OS market. They have beaten Linux at that game like a rented mule.

Server side is different obviously. Windows server has been a good solution for small and medium businesses who don’t want to hire entire positions just for Linux admins and who are invested in Active Directory as their main management tool already. In other contexts Linux has outperformed Windows server in market share. Clearly this is the market space they want to push into.

Linux for desktop has always been a lost cause because no one is enforcing positive control over the kernel. No one is making software for an OS that changes every few months enough to make your software incompatible.

The only groups that sort of succeeded at it are Apple and Google. Apple only sort of because Mac OS is a BSD derivative but since that’s a POSIX family OS I’ll count it. Android also succeeded. In both cases, open source software “freedom” types weren’t allowed to do whatever entered their brains whenever they wanted. Apple and Google formed specifications and those specifications were confirmed to.

Ubuntu is a noble effort. I like the cli only server OS version of it for various server applications and appliances where Linux was actually meant to be used. It will never compete seriously for desktop OS dominance.


7 posted on 05/07/2019 6:56:04 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: jonatron

Bloatware.

It’s only in there to get some other legacy bloated s/w to function.

The Linux Kernel will be running on some thunked 16 bit DOS leftoverware....


8 posted on 05/07/2019 7:00:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jonatron
Microsoft is going to ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10 (and No, you're not hallucinating)
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3747336/posts

9 posted on 05/07/2019 7:01:26 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: JamesP81
"It will never compete seriously for desktop OS dominance."

Linux dominates my desktops....

10 posted on 05/07/2019 7:02:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jonatron; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; AppyPappy; arnoldc1; ATOMIC_PUNK; ...
Windows 10 Ships Linux Kernel (repost)... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

11 posted on 05/07/2019 7:02:59 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: jonatron

Microsoft will do anything to get me off 7. Heck, I still have a 100 MHz laptop running Windows 95...


12 posted on 05/07/2019 7:03:38 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Paladin2

“Linux dominates my desktops....”

And?

Windows dominates the other 90%. It’s not because of unfair marketing practices or anything like that. It’s because Windows keeps itself in a state to be compatible with existing software. Linux has a huge issue with this.

I know you can roll Ubuntu for grandpa if all he needs is google search and web based email. This is non viable to gain market share for Linux desktop when an iPhone or Android does the same thing on a device you were going to buy anyway.


13 posted on 05/07/2019 7:06:41 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: jonatron

Just for the record, I posted OVER 2 YEARS AGO that MSoft was not continuing development of their bloated OS, and would be switching to a system where the kernel was 100% Linux. MSoft would provide the user interface, productivity apps, etc.

I had a lot of Msoft fanboys argue with me...get ready Windows is about get better - but still expensive


14 posted on 05/07/2019 7:07:58 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
> No more need to dual-boot or have a VM.

Somehow I don't think the Linux environment within Windows has the same freedom of movement that a native Linux environment has.

But to be honest I haven't played with it yet so I'm guessing.

Nevertheless, I prefer Linux on the metal and Windows in the virtual, rather than the other way around.

15 posted on 05/07/2019 7:08:58 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: BereanBrain
> Just for the record, I posted OVER 2 YEARS AGO that MSoft was not continuing development of their bloated OS, and would be switching to a system where the kernel was 100% Linux. MSoft would provide the user interface, productivity apps, etc.

Yep, been doing the same for longer, even, and being told "That'll never happen".

The Windows GUI is my favorite for desktop GUI work -- Linux desktops (even my favorite Gnome) are good but not as good as Windows. But the fact is, I spend most of my time with xterms and Bash.

Having a true Windows GUI over a Linux kernel would be the cat's meow.

16 posted on 05/07/2019 7:12:51 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: jonatron

Wow - with support for all the usual I/O like serial and USB?

Swell ...


17 posted on 05/07/2019 7:12:53 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: JamesP81

Desktops are launching rockets?

My old 486s will do plenty adequate word processing, desktop publishing, spreadsheets, audio processing.

Complex, over complected web sites? Not so much.

Video Games? NOT. But, who should be doing that at work?

Anti-virus, anti hacking s/w needing to take up 50% of processor cycles?

It’s BS.

Win10 is still bloated s/w that won’t do legacy s/w, especially on legacy hardware.

I don’t see any “new” s/w [except games and NSA snooping] that does anything new in application space that needs to be done. Facebook?, Skype? Twitter?

What exactly?


18 posted on 05/07/2019 7:14:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jonatron

Doesn’t matter. Win 10 blows.


19 posted on 05/07/2019 7:16:56 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: jonatron
> If you can't beat 'em, join 'em

Nope.

"If you can't beat 'em, ABSORB 'EM."

I smell the rank, putrid odor of the old Microsoft "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" strategy, far in the distance.

I'm praying that it's just a roadkill skunk*, but I dunno...


 
 
 
 
 
 

(*) Personally, I like skunks. I'm not suggesting they should be roadkill.

20 posted on 05/07/2019 7:18:05 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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