Posted on 01/21/2019 2:54:01 PM PST by zeestephen
A recently released report on the H-1B program (for skilled nonimmigrant workers) indicates that in at least 40 percent of the jobs the employer gets a full-time (alien) worker for a $40,000 a year discount from actual prevailing wages.
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I think you misread atomic dog’s intent.
Atomic dog, in my opinion, is also being critical of H-1B.
If you don’t see that, well, let’s agree to disagree.
H1B bump for later.....
I agree.
It also has a strangling effect on essential capital investment by software companies.
They need to be continuously creating or purchasing more efficient software development tools.
I don't work for software company, but, from the outside, it looks like an industry where “work-in” is always less than “work-out,” and where productivity grows at a glacial pace, and maybe not all.
Good one Civ...
Long-time lurker, American citizen. First post. Came back to the US to MAGA, only to last 2 months at Microsoft in Redmond, Washington. Got some really bad loan from a 5-6 in the Philippines, where I had a great job to come back to the USA after 20 years teaching college internationally, including 8 years teaching American servicemen and dependents in Germany before the big 2004 to 2006 BRAC closings.
Best I could do is an Orange-badge contract worker with low-pay and no benefits (99% of recruiters are Indian or Indian-American). I replied to a real American recruiter, borrowed money and paid my way back here. Whilst Microsoft brings in Blue-badge H1B foriegners from the PRC and India by the bucket-load. 4 Americans on the team replaced by fresh blue-card Indians. Unemployed now and out of funds. H4 visa workers fill the retail worker slots in the Redmond area. Even workers at Arby’s and Fred Meyer are mostly foriegners. Something needs to be done.
Seriously? I’m an American programmer, been teaching and developing (C++, C#, Java, etc) for 20 years, going back to 30 years if you count Applesoft and GWBasic. I can’t bypass the Indian recruiters that own the market, at least in the Redmond/Bellevue Washington area.
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Welcome. I hope the others return to the thread and see your post.
Please stick around. You have much to contribute to this topic.
Have a good day.
Never go to any company that uses Indian recruiters. Try smaller software firms. There are thousands who are dying for good programmers. My son just got a job straight out of college before he graduated for $80K and he had three job offers to choose from. No recruiter, nor school help. If there is an Indian in the process the salary will be lower. I agree with you that Indians have a slave labor mentality. And somehow they own H1-Bs.
The biggest thing is that many companies that 'offshored' their workload discovered that it was a losing proposition.
This annoys the heck out of me. I have 2 messages in my inbox from indian recruiters that I would have considered had it come from someone whose name I could pronounce.
I have seen middle class disappear before my eyes in Chiacgo area. No, it was not due to H1-B visa’s. It was due to companies moving their manufacturing operations abroad.
Until 1960 or so, Chicago was one of the prominent manufacturing centers of the country. When factories were closed due to moving to cheaper labor countries, middle class manufacturing jobs disappeared.
Solution? Only solution I see is BALANCED trade via tariffs. If a company moves their IT operation abroad, there should be tariffs on that product as well.
But doing it with artificial restrictions on domestic production goes against basic tenets of free market capitalism.
I agree with your idea because it is free market capitalism principles. No need to restrict other outfits, just choose the one you prefer, freely and without government dictate.
Solution? Only solution I see is BALANCED trade via tariffs. If a company moves their IT operation abroad, there should be tariffs on that product as well.
But doing it with artificial restrictions on domestic production goes against basic tenets of free market capitalism.
Tariffs also go against basic tenets of free market capitalism. And all that is A-OK - "free trade" sounded good only until we saw how free traderstraitors used it.
You are confusing DOMESTIC free market system with international trading balances.
Isolationist claptrap is anti business and anti capitalist.
The business of America is business and American business is international in scope.
The wage needs to be higher. Try $250,000... payable to the H1-B & not to the middlemen (Desi Body Shops).
If the H1-B is that critical to the employer, 250 large shouldn’t be a problem.
As a tech worker seeing what goes on I have formulated a simple argument for whether or not H1-Bs are being abused at the expense of American workers.
It is argued that H1-Bs are needed to address a shortage of skilled tech workers.
Basic econ supply and demand says that shortages cause prices to increase and oversupply causes prices to decrease.
Therefore if we need H1-Bs to address a shortage of skilled tech workers we should see wages (prices) on an upward trajectory that retains current workers encourages other new workers to enter the marketplace.
What I see is tech wages have stagnated. Starting wages for my degree on a inflation adjusted measure have decreased since I graduated. This causes college students to avoid STEM majors for being too much work for the pay level and I see many talented, experienced, smart co-workers seek jobs outside of tech, moving into sales, consulting, small (non-tech) business, finance, real estate, etc after being pushed out of tech jobs, often replaced by H1Bs.
The conclusion is not a real shortage. H1-Bs are unnecessary and are hurting Americans and our killing America’s ability to produce world class scientists and engineers from our domestic talent.
Thank you and welcome to Free Republic. Great post.
“Americans often wanted management. Many foreigners were happy to be left alone programming.”
In America engineers who aren’t looking for management jobs are sidelined by management. We consider it a problem for an American engineer to want to be an engineer. The same management, for whatever reason, are quite happy to find a foreigner that will toil away at the same job they look down on the American engineer for staying in. I’ve known a few engineering managers who hated being managers but saw it as their only path to surviving. Watching rounds of layoffs where sharp, talented people get walked out the door or who show themselves the door in anticipation tends to make for a lot of cynicism.
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