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THE WINNER OF THE RUBIO-CRUZ IMMIGRATION FIGHT? DONALD TRUMP
Powerline ^ | December 18, 2013 | PAUL MIRENGOFF

Posted on 12/19/2015 2:05:59 PM PST by Hojczyk

However, Rubio is still the loser of this debate. Unlike the Florida man, Cruz never co-sponsored immigration reform with Chuck Schumer, but instead opposed that legislation. And Cruz, though he seems to have favored amnesty (in the sense of a path to legalization), never favored a path to citizenship, as Rubio did. To me, and probably a great many other Republicans, granting citizenship to those who violated our immigration laws is significantly more egregious than permitting them to remain here with legal status.

But this doesn’t mean Cruz is the winner. Why? Because Donald Trump has insisted that illegal immigrants can never become legal unless they leave the country. This is a harder line position than what Cruz favored in 2013.

For the first time, Cruz seems vulnerable to his right on the key issue of immigration. And he’s vulnerable to the frontrunner in the race.

Cruz, though, has probably understood for some time that his prospects depend on Trump faltering at some stage. For now, his campaign will probably be satisfied if he has struck a major blow against Rubio, the candidate most likely to stand his way if the

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To: JoSixChip
Re: TRUMP: Vladimir Putin's praise is 'a great honor'

Is that a problem for you?

Is that NOT a problem for you?

21 posted on 12/19/2015 2:41:36 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Hojczyk

“To me, and probably a great many other Republicans, granting citizenship to those who violated our immigration laws is significantly more egregious than permitting them to remain here with legal status.”

Uh no they all need to go. Buh Bye end of story.


22 posted on 12/19/2015 2:42:27 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: ETL
It should be a problem for any American who knows anything at all about Putin.

Really? your sitting in country that is supporting terrorists with money and arms that is being used to kill Americans and Christians. And complaining about the leader who is trying to stop it? Putin, is no American, but he is doing more to protect America the obumber is. As far as I can tell he is a patriot to his own people and certainly has more respect for America then does half the population of America. I have no problem with Putin at this point.
23 posted on 12/19/2015 2:45:26 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: ETL
Is that NOT a problem for you?

Nope, see post 23
24 posted on 12/19/2015 2:46:25 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: Pelham

Its Legalization status not citizenship that Cruz proposed and now he suggests it was a poison pill. I have a hard time buying this from Cruz who we have contributed to twice, and I am on his donor email list. Cruz did vote for a bill eventually, that didn’t have his language in it. Maybe he at that point wanted to get along by going along, but its not convincing me.

What bothers me is Cruz wanting 5x the H1b visa’s as his position. I know most freepers like me don’t like this position of Ted’s. But, I still like Ted on 95 percent of what he stands for. I wish he would publically disavow this stand.

I am an engineer and IT person, and believe me we have generations of STEM people out of jobs that the Indian and Asian engineers have taken on H1b visas. Close to 1 million foreigners doing work Americans want.

H1b send money back home, they don’t buy homes, a major economic loss. Our college grads are defaulting on loans because they can’t get jobs they trained for, and the taxpayers me and you are on the hook for these dead paper.

A flip flop by Ted would only help him. When your wrong you just say your wrong. There is now Stem shortage.
I have an out of work friend with 2 masters degrees consulting as a H1b programmer trainer. He says he knows lots of people free to do the same job but for 35 percent more money, its so dishonest what the Cheap Labor Express does to their fellow Americans.


25 posted on 12/19/2015 2:47:40 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (A)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Its Legalization status not citizenship that Cruz proposed and now he suggests it was a poison pill. I have a hard time buying this from Cruz

Have you seen the so called reasons he voted for TPA and the corker bill?
26 posted on 12/19/2015 2:50:34 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: Hojczyk
For the first time, Cruz seems vulnerable to his right on the key issue of immigration

How many dumb asses are going to keep regurgitating Rubio's talking points?

Guess they are smarter than Sessions, Levin, and Limbaugh combined!!!!! /s

27 posted on 12/19/2015 2:51:30 PM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my bravNL skit.e ancestors who fought w)
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To: Zenjitsuman

“I am an engineer and IT person, and believe me we have generations of STEM people out of jobs that the Indian and Asian engineers have taken on H1b visas. Close to 1 million foreigners doing work Americans want.”

I’m not in IT but know people who are and I’m certain that you are correct.


28 posted on 12/19/2015 2:53:12 PM PST by Pelham (Muslim immigration...the enemy is inside the wire.)
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To: JoSixChip
Have you seen the so called reasons he voted for TPA and the corker bill?

Outside immigration, Trump's positions are very similar to Guliani. Care to discuss that?

29 posted on 12/19/2015 2:54:23 PM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my bravNL skit.e ancestors who fought w)
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To: catfish1957
Guess they are smarter than Sessions, Levin, and Limbaugh combined

Pull Sessions out of that sentence and I would say, who isn't? Mr. Rush Beck and Mr. Mark Levin are nothing more then paid entertainers, no better then Molly Cyris or Cher as far as I'm concerned. As for Sessions, Cruz said Sessions was "just wrong" on TPA.
30 posted on 12/19/2015 2:56:35 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: catfish1957
Outside immigration, Trump's positions are very similar to Guliani. Care to discuss that?

Sure, because that is just crap. Trump wants to build a wall on the Mexican boarder. Trump wants to deport all illegals. Trump whats to stop importing terrorists. Trump wants private sector solutions to health care. Trump wants to make trade with other countries advantageous to America. I have lots more, but lets start here. Which of these positions has Guliani propose?
31 posted on 12/19/2015 3:01:13 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: JoSixChip

....and the MSM got caught out on their lying. Result? Trump went up in polls. He has broken open the tightly guarded secret of how Washington works. The MSM will keep on trying, but the cat is out of the bag and people are much less likely to listen to what they have to say. So they are in a panic along with the “Establishment.”
GO TRUMP!


32 posted on 12/19/2015 3:08:28 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: catfish1957

The ONLY ISSUES that count right now are Immigration and Stopping the Muslims from invading. Everything else is secondary. Trump is solid as a rock on both. That’s all anyone who cares about America should care about. Those issues are the key to all others, especially the economy. Fix immigration and get the blood suckers out of the country and the economy will grow, producing more jobs and repairing our infrastructure.


33 posted on 12/19/2015 3:14:23 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think both Cruz & Rubio are irrelevant. So tired of hearing how Cruz is the only true conservative in the race, what a crock.

Trump is living the Constitution, exercising his 1st Amendment rights despite being assaulted by politicians and PC police.

He’s flaunting his 2nd Amendment rights by having a carry permit and supporting gun rights at every single rally.

He’s for getting education, healthcare, other federal programs back to local levels, the states i.e. 10th Amendment.

I think Rush pushes this Cruz only conservative crap because he can’t take credit for Trump’s success. If there’s an ego bigger than Trump, it’s Rush.

Fact is the only true conservative in this race is Trump. He’s living the Constitution against staggering odds.


34 posted on 12/19/2015 3:18:05 PM PST by Kenny (RED)
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To: Hojczyk
Fairly obvious and pretty simple.

You position your self has a LEADER by establishing a dialogue, even with your enemies.

In this case, you can be the judge as to whether Putin is an enemy or not.

I'm alluding to the fact that TRUMP is engaging him with his comments, as opposed to Obunga who has tried to "dis" Putin and has created an adversarial position for himself.

We're simply observing the difference between a LEADER and a lightweight.

35 posted on 12/19/2015 3:40:36 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Waryone

Exactly right. Granting illegals a path to legal status-——>next step is giving them voting rights by next liberal president, saying “it is unAmerican to deny legal immigrants voting rights”.


36 posted on 12/19/2015 4:27:00 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Pick strongest on immigration control - Santorum as VP.)
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To: JoSixChip
They misquote everyone.
That is the point.
Trump (populist though he may be) is blunt and repetitive enough that it just doesn't work.

Securing the border has been his primary nonnegotiable issue from the beginning. He hasn't waivered.

Every attempt to make it seem like he waivers on that issue not only falls flat, it draws ridicule even from people who support other candidates.

And quite properly so.

37 posted on 12/19/2015 4:44:00 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: GilGil

Fillet is too neat & tidy - I have visions of rotting bloated whale corpses being blown up on beaches.


38 posted on 12/19/2015 6:33:58 PM PST by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for Allah. The God I worship died for me. [Franklin Graham])
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To: JoSixChip

+1


39 posted on 12/19/2015 8:12:56 PM PST by Pelham (Muslim immigration...the enemy is inside the wire.)
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To: Hojczyk

Cruz.


40 posted on 12/19/2015 8:36:59 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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