Posted on 12/15/2015 9:51:08 AM PST by Red Steel
[Full title] Trump Edges Cruz in Iowa; His Supporters Think Japanese Internment Was Good; Clinton Still Well Ahead of Sanders In State
PPP’s newest Iowa poll finds Donald Trump and Ted Cruz at the top of the heap with 28% and 25% respectively. Marco Rubio at 14% and Ben Carson at 10% are also in double digits with Jeb Bush at 7% the only other candidate who clears even 3%. Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, and Mike Huckabee all hit that level with John Kasich and Rand Paul each getting 2%, Lindsey Graham and Rick Santorum each getting 1%, and Jim Gilmore and George Pataki both having literally no support.
Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Bush have all seen varying increases in their support in the six weeks since we last polled Iowa. Cruz obviously has the most momentum, picking up 11 points from his 14% standing in early November. Trump has gained 6 points, Rubio 4 points, and Bush 2 points.
As we’ve been finding across the country for the last month Carson has seen the most serious downward arc in his support, dropping 11 points from his previous 21% standing. Huckabee’s dropped 3 points and Fiorina by 2 points as well.
There are a lot of divisions between where Cruz and Trump’s support is coming from. Among voters whose biggest concern is having a candidate who’s conservative on the issues Cruz leads with 33% to 26% for Trump and 15% for Carson. But with voters whose biggest concern is being able to beat a Democrat in the general election, Trump wins out with 31% to 20% each for Cruz and Rubio. Cruz leads Trump 31/30 with men, but Trump more than makes up for that with a 26/17 lead among women. Cruz has a strong advantage with ‘very conservative’ voters at 37% to 25% for Trump and 14% for Carson but Trump leads based on his strength with moderates, with whom gets 42% to 14% each for Rubio and Bush.
It’s ironic that Trump leads with moderates, because the views of his supporters wouldn’t be considered moderate by most standards:
-78% support Trump’s call to bans Muslims from entering the United States, to only 13% who oppose it. Overall 54% of Republicans support him on that to 28% who are opposed. Supporters of Cruz (62/20) and Carson (54/25) also favor a Muslim ban while backers of Rubio (28/48) and Bush (28/49) are opposed.
-65% of Trump voters think thousands of Arabs in New Jersey cheered the collapse of the World Trade Center, to only 11% who don’t think that happened. Overall 43% of Republicans think that event occurred to 29% who don’t. Supporters of Carson (44/10) and Cruz (45/26) agree with Trump’s that it happened while those of Rubio (24/47) and Bush (12/62) say it didn’t.
-59% of Trump voters support a national database of Muslims, to 18% who are opposed. Republicans as a whole are evenly divided on that issue, 40/40. Carson supporters (42/38) join with Trump’s in wanting a Muslim database but those of Cruz (38/42), Rubio (32/48), and Bush (19/62) are all against it.
-45% of Trump voters want to shut down the mosques in the United States, to only 23% who are opposed to doing that. Overall just 27% of Republicans support that to 45% who are opposed though. Supporters of all the other major GOP candidates are opposed to shutting down mosques- it’s 32/48 with Carson backers, 25/44 with those of Cruz, 9/66 with Rubio voters, and 9/69 with Bush’s.
-Finally as long as we were at it we decided we’d ask people if they thought Japanese internment had been a good idea. Among Trump voters 48% say they support the use of internment during World War II, to only 21% who say they oppose it. Overall just 29% of Republicans support that to 39% opposed, and supporters of all the other candidates are against it- 29/33 with Cruz voters, 23/54 with Rubio’s, 12/48 with Carson’s, and 13/56 with Bush’s.
Trump’s positions aren’t hurting him for now but if he ever does falter Cruz is very well positioned to benefit. Besides his overall second place position Cruz is the most broadly popular of the candidates in Iowa, with a 68/20 favorability rating. He’s also the most frequent second choice of Iowa voters at 19% to 12% each for Carson and Rubio, and 11% for Trump. When you combine first and second choices Cruz leads with 44% to 39% for Trump, 26% for Rubio, and 22% for Carson. Cruz is specifically by far and away the second choice of Trump voters at 36% to 14% for Carson with no one else hitting double digits. Quick notes on some other hopefuls:
-Bush has the highest negatives of any of the candidates with 47% seeing him unfavorably to only 35% who have a positive view. He continues to particularly have a credibility issue on the right- with ‘very conservative’ voters his favorability is 24/61 and just 2% of voters within that group favor him for the nomination.
-What we’re continuing to find with Rubio right now is that he’s sort of in a holding pattern. When we polled Iowa last month he was in 4th place with a 60/20 favorability rating. Now thanks to the collapse of Carson he’s in 3rd place with a nearly identical 59/22 favorability. He’s not getting much momentum but he’s at least not falling apart either.
-Carson’s not just losing out on people saying he’s their first choice- he’s had a general decline in his image with GOP voters. Last month he had a +61 (74/13) favorability, that’s now dropped to +40 at 63/23. His combined first and second choice support has dropped from 40% down to 22%.
-John Kasich’s just really not making an impact. A plurality of GOP voters- 41%- don’t even have an opinion about him one way or the other. Among voters who do have one it’s quite negative with only 22% seeing him favorably to 37% with a negative view.
-Mike Huckabee on the other hand is very popular with the Republican base. 64% see him favorably to just 21% with a negative view, making him the most broadly liked hopeful other than Cruz. That goodwill just isn’t translating into support for the nomination for him though.
On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton continues to be the clear favorite in Iowa. She’s at 52% to 34% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. Sanders leads 47/40 with younger voters, but that’s not enough to make up for Clinton holding a 64/20 advantage with seniors. She leads by pretty similar margins of 19 points with liberals at 56/37 and 22 points with moderates at 52/30. And she also has comparable leads with both women (21 points at 55/34) and men (15 points at 49/34). Clinton’s favorability rating is 73/19 while Sanders’ comes in at 65/23.
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You trying to pull a Harvard joke on me Dawg?
Tune into Rush today, he is explaining why Trump is running away with it. He is describing you to a T.
I am old enough to remember when they were pretty tight and we did alright then. I remember when Made in the USA was like the Gold standard which we used to have. Japan sent us toys made of beer cans and tools that were not much better. Now they make better products than we do and they have practically zero immigration.
Steve Wozniak coughed up $5,000,000.00 to move to Australia and attain citizenship, here we invite in welfare cases. Does something seem off about that to you? If not that proves Trump's assertion that we are stupid.
Why would I need Rush to learn about Trump supporters? I have you.
So how did we morph from banning all foreign visitors to banning all foreign visitors and imports?
My wife’s grandfather was an immigrant from Germany. He earned his citizenship by fighting in the Spanish American War. He became a teacher. During WWI he was fired from his job, their house and all their possessions were burned to the ground. They relocated to a different state; they were penniless and what few clothes they had turned to rags. It was only by the grace of God that they didn’t starve and managed not to die of exposure.
During WWII there were many Japanese who openly practiced the Shinto “religion” which meant at that time that they worshipped the Emperor Hirohito as a God. Many sent their children to Japanese schools which taught the superiority of the Japanese over all other peoples. The Japanese had plans to attack the West Coast of the United States. Anyone who thinks that it was not prudent to place them in internment camps is not aware of all of the circumstances from that time period. The best intelligence available was used to make the determination of what should be done.
My wife and I set up living history displays and give presentations at schools, museums, and for community and military groups. We have some Japanese friends who do the same type of thing trying to “educate” people about the Japanese internment during WWII. We always cringe because they constantly refer to the internment camps as “concentration camps” and make other comparisons to the Nazis which is completely inaccurate. My wife’s grandparents would have been very happy if during WWI they would have been at least given a place to stay, warm clothing and food.
The progressive rewriting of history is very disturbing when even people who consider themselves to be Republicans supporting Jeb Bush feel that the internment of the Japanese was wrong. Those who know the true history know that it was not wrong... a credible threat was addressed the best way they could figure out during a war time crisis. War is not fair... it is what it is... Hell.
“Declare a war against an identifiable enemy and we’ll talk about matters of engaging in war.”
So, we must wait for our government overlords to move before we may recognize that the muzzies are at war with us, is that right?
“But you want to make them impenetrable to everyone from outside the country. That doesn’t help our survival either.”
At this juncture, it certainly does.
“It was generally effective in preventing sabotage.”
Sounds like gun-grabber reasoning: “wholesale confiscation & prohibition is generally effective in preventing shootings.” Punish thousands on the grounds that one _might_ do something bad.
I oppose the internment of American citizens. Period. If you don’t have an articulable case against an individual, and cannot get an adjudicated conviction, you have no Constitutional power nor individual right to [for all practical purposes] incarcerate that person. This also applies (insofar as the Bill of Rights enumerates natural & inalienable rights which all enjoy and which we will, at least domestically, protect) to non-citizens with whose home country we hold “normal” relations.
Citizens & members of avowed hostile countries/groups may be deported. Those who attempt to establish extra-legal governance (ex.: Sharia) may/should be deported (our government has a monopoly on governance; maintaining order within associations like schools, churches, HOAs, or societies requires separate discussion).
Japanese internment of Americans is grounds for war. Put ‘em on a boat and send ‘em home, fine; practically put ‘em in prison for being Americans, let ‘em leave or we’ll take them with extreme prejudice.
If the immediate issue at discussion is really “how do we deal with non-state-sponsored terrorism?” then we can start with (A) adhere to our Bill of Rights if only to indicate when we’re taking a wrong path, and (B) get the investigating agencies in question to ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB - which I suspect the current Administration is actively discouraging. The real problem is our “national security” has implemented “national security theater” instead. The “no fly list” aka “terrorism watch list” should be acted upon in earnest (make your case & get ‘em out, or vet & vindicate them). Every single “no go zone” should have top “go, with extreme prejudice if necessary” priority. Recognize that “the people” ARE “the militia”, and encourage every citizen to do their part to actively protect their 1/350,000,000th part of the country.
Confiscating all the possessions of, and indefinitely deporting or incarcerating, people based solely on their skin color and their choice of worshiping a rock is NOT acceptable.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures”
‘Unreasonable’ is the word you are skipping over. The actions were reasonable and necessary.
Although it was not adopted until after WWII, the 4th Geneva Convention recognized that internment of civilians can be necessary. See Art. 42 and surrounding articles, and 83 and following. “The internment or placing in assigned residence of protected persons may be ordered only if the security of the Detaining Power makes it absolutely necessary.”
Get back to me when your argument is more sophisticated than a re-write of the Left’s “the NRA is a terrorist organization, and their members should be jailed/killed and their lawful possessions confiscated.”
“You want to apply a civil war, with open rebellion at hand to people who were rounded up solely based on their ethnicity? I’m sorry, THAT is road to apples.”
Solely based on their ethnicity? Have you never heard of the Second World War?
“Other than you strawman argument about the KGB I fail to see a point.”
Of course you fail to see a point. Thank the KGB for that.
“There is no difference between what the British did to the Boers and FDR’s round up of the Japanese. The only thing that FDR didn’t do was neglect the internees to the point of starvation.”
Let’s see, now: according to you, one group was starved, the other was not, and there is no difference. Damn, those KGB guys were good.
“A low bar to jump if you’re only saying he avoided committing crimes against humanity.”
I gather that you would have required so much more of him. Right then, with Japanese spies operating both in Hawaii and on the mainland, with dead sailors rotting in the sunken hull of the Arizona, with Japanese submarines operating off the West Coast, with the Japanese attacking Australia, the Philippines, China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Indochina, and on, and on, and on, you would have the president agonizing night after night about the degree of luxury to which Japanese Americans were entitled?
I hope South Park takes that one and runs with it.
Ah, you’re now quoting European law to justify actions contrary to the US Constitution?
Even if, for sake of argument alone, I consent to your interpretation of “unreasonable”, you still lack the warrant “upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Get that, search away, and if you fine nothing leave the person alone; if you find something appropriately condemning, prosecute accordingly. Taking everything they have, and throwing them in prison (however cushy), requires their day in court.
As it is, the domestic examples in question were (post-attack) discovered to have copious concrete & circumstantial evidence against them, and were being observed for such behavior. We have Constitutional means to handle such before attacks are carried out; seems our Executive branch lacks the will to act thereon.
“History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike”
Nor does it entrust it to those who cannot tell truth from lie.
When the Left says “the NRA is a terrorist organization” they are lying, but when anyone says “muslim terrorists are terrorists,” they are telling the truth.
Very little sophistication should be required to understand that.
A little more might be required to understand that “ordinary” muslims are the sea in which the terrorists swim.
If you want to get rid of the terrorists, you must dry up the sea.
Re post 205:
Great post.
Yeah OK, so I guess Obama can round us all up because of that crazy shooter in South Carolina. It’s OK though, so long as we got plenty to eat in our FEMA Camps.
Have fun living in your Police State, but I prefer living in a society where people aren’t detained indefinitely. I’m sure the KGB would be proud of you for being such a loyal comrade.
You keep trying to say ALL Concentration Camps are death camps like Auschwitz, which is a canard.
And yes, it DOES matter even in the face of threats. It’s people like that wholead us down the slippery slope to practicing torture and totalitarianism. But I’m sure you’re fine with NSA surveillance and the patriot act.
Everything is fair in love and war. War is not a game. It is a brutal affair. Wars must be fought to win. If that requires internment of a group, so be it.
You are exactly right. We ARE STUPID. I checked into immigrating to New Zealand. They want $1.5 million investment to bring with, then they will award residency. And must pass their English test.
We are in total agreement!
Internment of Japanese and Germans probably saved a lot of lives.... both theirs and those not interned.
One incident could have resulted in mob rule.
I get sick of people bashing the US for Japanese internment.
The big issue to me is that their property needed to be protected and returned after the war.
“You keep trying to say ALL Concentration Camps are death camps like Auschwitz, which is a canard.”
I think you’re confused as to who has been saying what.
At least, that’s the only way I can account for your post.
Concentration Camp - “A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.” American Heritage Dictionary
I fail to see how pointing out a commonly accepted premise, that the Internment Camps are essentially the same as Concentration Camps in other parts of the world in history is so outrageous.
Then you insinuated Communist brainwashing due to the objection of such a practice, which is commonly done in Communist states, as being antithetical to America’s values.
So please, provide me a reason as to why they are to be considered categorically different from a prison camp, other than “they weren’t actively treated badly” or that they had adequately supplied. So does not killing imprisoned people not make it a prison?
Also, I’m also curious as to how opposing such a system like the GULAG and believing in the Writ of Habeas Corpus is “Communist”. I believe blind loyalty to a government’s institutions, regardless of morality or natural law, as being rather characteristic of Communism personally...
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