Posted on 12/15/2015 9:51:08 AM PST by Red Steel
[Full title] Trump Edges Cruz in Iowa; His Supporters Think Japanese Internment Was Good; Clinton Still Well Ahead of Sanders In State
PPP’s newest Iowa poll finds Donald Trump and Ted Cruz at the top of the heap with 28% and 25% respectively. Marco Rubio at 14% and Ben Carson at 10% are also in double digits with Jeb Bush at 7% the only other candidate who clears even 3%. Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, and Mike Huckabee all hit that level with John Kasich and Rand Paul each getting 2%, Lindsey Graham and Rick Santorum each getting 1%, and Jim Gilmore and George Pataki both having literally no support.
Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Bush have all seen varying increases in their support in the six weeks since we last polled Iowa. Cruz obviously has the most momentum, picking up 11 points from his 14% standing in early November. Trump has gained 6 points, Rubio 4 points, and Bush 2 points.
As we’ve been finding across the country for the last month Carson has seen the most serious downward arc in his support, dropping 11 points from his previous 21% standing. Huckabee’s dropped 3 points and Fiorina by 2 points as well.
There are a lot of divisions between where Cruz and Trump’s support is coming from. Among voters whose biggest concern is having a candidate who’s conservative on the issues Cruz leads with 33% to 26% for Trump and 15% for Carson. But with voters whose biggest concern is being able to beat a Democrat in the general election, Trump wins out with 31% to 20% each for Cruz and Rubio. Cruz leads Trump 31/30 with men, but Trump more than makes up for that with a 26/17 lead among women. Cruz has a strong advantage with ‘very conservative’ voters at 37% to 25% for Trump and 14% for Carson but Trump leads based on his strength with moderates, with whom gets 42% to 14% each for Rubio and Bush.
It’s ironic that Trump leads with moderates, because the views of his supporters wouldn’t be considered moderate by most standards:
-78% support Trump’s call to bans Muslims from entering the United States, to only 13% who oppose it. Overall 54% of Republicans support him on that to 28% who are opposed. Supporters of Cruz (62/20) and Carson (54/25) also favor a Muslim ban while backers of Rubio (28/48) and Bush (28/49) are opposed.
-65% of Trump voters think thousands of Arabs in New Jersey cheered the collapse of the World Trade Center, to only 11% who don’t think that happened. Overall 43% of Republicans think that event occurred to 29% who don’t. Supporters of Carson (44/10) and Cruz (45/26) agree with Trump’s that it happened while those of Rubio (24/47) and Bush (12/62) say it didn’t.
-59% of Trump voters support a national database of Muslims, to 18% who are opposed. Republicans as a whole are evenly divided on that issue, 40/40. Carson supporters (42/38) join with Trump’s in wanting a Muslim database but those of Cruz (38/42), Rubio (32/48), and Bush (19/62) are all against it.
-45% of Trump voters want to shut down the mosques in the United States, to only 23% who are opposed to doing that. Overall just 27% of Republicans support that to 45% who are opposed though. Supporters of all the other major GOP candidates are opposed to shutting down mosques- it’s 32/48 with Carson backers, 25/44 with those of Cruz, 9/66 with Rubio voters, and 9/69 with Bush’s.
-Finally as long as we were at it we decided we’d ask people if they thought Japanese internment had been a good idea. Among Trump voters 48% say they support the use of internment during World War II, to only 21% who say they oppose it. Overall just 29% of Republicans support that to 39% opposed, and supporters of all the other candidates are against it- 29/33 with Cruz voters, 23/54 with Rubio’s, 12/48 with Carson’s, and 13/56 with Bush’s.
Trump’s positions aren’t hurting him for now but if he ever does falter Cruz is very well positioned to benefit. Besides his overall second place position Cruz is the most broadly popular of the candidates in Iowa, with a 68/20 favorability rating. He’s also the most frequent second choice of Iowa voters at 19% to 12% each for Carson and Rubio, and 11% for Trump. When you combine first and second choices Cruz leads with 44% to 39% for Trump, 26% for Rubio, and 22% for Carson. Cruz is specifically by far and away the second choice of Trump voters at 36% to 14% for Carson with no one else hitting double digits. Quick notes on some other hopefuls:
-Bush has the highest negatives of any of the candidates with 47% seeing him unfavorably to only 35% who have a positive view. He continues to particularly have a credibility issue on the right- with ‘very conservative’ voters his favorability is 24/61 and just 2% of voters within that group favor him for the nomination.
-What we’re continuing to find with Rubio right now is that he’s sort of in a holding pattern. When we polled Iowa last month he was in 4th place with a 60/20 favorability rating. Now thanks to the collapse of Carson he’s in 3rd place with a nearly identical 59/22 favorability. He’s not getting much momentum but he’s at least not falling apart either.
-Carson’s not just losing out on people saying he’s their first choice- he’s had a general decline in his image with GOP voters. Last month he had a +61 (74/13) favorability, that’s now dropped to +40 at 63/23. His combined first and second choice support has dropped from 40% down to 22%.
-John Kasich’s just really not making an impact. A plurality of GOP voters- 41%- don’t even have an opinion about him one way or the other. Among voters who do have one it’s quite negative with only 22% seeing him favorably to 37% with a negative view.
-Mike Huckabee on the other hand is very popular with the Republican base. 64% see him favorably to just 21% with a negative view, making him the most broadly liked hopeful other than Cruz. That goodwill just isn’t translating into support for the nomination for him though.
On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton continues to be the clear favorite in Iowa. She’s at 52% to 34% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. Sanders leads 47/40 with younger voters, but that’s not enough to make up for Clinton holding a 64/20 advantage with seniors. She leads by pretty similar margins of 19 points with liberals at 56/37 and 22 points with moderates at 52/30. And she also has comparable leads with both women (21 points at 55/34) and men (15 points at 49/34). Clinton’s favorability rating is 73/19 while Sanders’ comes in at 65/23.
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You would have to vet no one if you just shut down immigration entirely and most freepers would be fine with that. We don't need to continue flooding the country with more dependent democratic voters.
Well ok then I guess we have to give up since absolutely nothing can be done.
We should also concentrate on what he says. In some cases, they are the blathering of an ignorant child. And a large part of America supports for PRESIDENT this person. Chilling.
Or instead of living in Trump's cloud cuckoo land you can come back down to the real world with the rest of us, realize that Trump's promise is asinine, and concentrate on coming up with achievable solutions that we can implement and which will make us as safe as possible.
But in Trump land where is the fun in that?
And what about people who say they are coming as tourists, students, on business, and the like? How do you prevent Muslims from sneaking through that way? Or would you cut off all foreign entry into the U.S. period as the only way to prevent Muslims from entering?
“I’m still trying to figure out how temporarily banning immigration has anything in common with the internment of US citizens during WWII.”
Its a diversionary act of the left. Otherwise known as moving the goalposts to sustain an argument.
Immigration controls and restrictions have nothing to do with internment camps.
“The fact we can’t even call it for what it really was proves bow unjust it was. They were Concentration Camps.”
Road apples.
“According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
The first stage being “demoralization”. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.”
—KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
—Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS—and the KGB)
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Congratulations, you’re a KGB success story.
“Internment makes the bitter pill tolerable. The fact that prisoners weren’t flagrantly abused or neglected doesn’t change the fact either.”
Yes, it most certainly does change your KGB “fact” into something else entirely. The government should have made the internees whole after the war—at least those that turned out not to be spies—but the idea of internment was correct.
“The whole thing is a horrific violation of habeas corpus and a terrible precedent.”
Precedent? Really? Are you actually unaware that Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the war between the states?
That’s pretty basic.
It was generally effective in preventing sabotage. Do you oppose the internment of the Nazis and Fascists, or just the Japs? And how do you feel about the Japanese internment of the Americans and British?
Internment of Japanese and Germans probably saved a lot of lives.... both theirs and those not interned.
One incident could have resulted in mob rule.
I get sick of people bashing the US for Japanese internment.
The big issue to me is that their property needed to be protected and returned after the war.
“...DO NOT LET HISTORY BE CHANGED...”
I’m not. Merely relating it as I remember reading/learning about it.
Thank you for pointing out something that I didn’t know, I will do some research on it.
What about them? Who cares if they stay home? We should not be educating our enemies in the first place and business does not require travel as Amazon proves. Education does not require presence either as far as that goes.
No country can survive the erasure of their borders.
You want to apply a civil war, with open rebellion at hand to people who were rounded up solely based on their ethnicity?
I’m sorry, THAT is road to apples.
Other than you strawman argument about the KGB I fail to see a point. Although I’m sure character assassination and ad hominem attacks are a staple of theirs.
There is no difference between what the British did to the Boers and FDR’s round up of the Japanese. The only thing that FDR didn’t do was neglect the internees to the point of starvation. A low bar to jump if you’re only saying he avoided committing crimes against humanity.
I don't insist, I just recognize that Cruz can't win in the General doubtful that he could win the Primary without a total collapse or some other disaster befalls Trump.
You sound like Beck with your constant diatribe and his audience is suffering because of it. So is yours.
I oppose the internment of Americans.
Remember these? They’re kinda relevant to the topic:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, ...
“...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
“In all criminal prosecutions [summary condemnation included], the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.”
IF THE LEFTISTS USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS Y’ALL ARE USING TO JUSTIFY THE SAME TREATMENT AGAINST YOU & YOURS IN VIOLATION OF THESE RIGHTS, Y’ALL WOULD START CIVIL WAR II _TOMORROW_.
Yes, I’m aware of the issues & dangers involved.
Yes, I’m aware of “their” doctrines & philosophies.
I contend that strict adherence to our founding principles, as manifest in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights, are our _best_ tactics to winning the existential conflict.
I contend that we’re where we are now, facing these particular threats, _precisely_ because of tacit abandonment thereof.
I don't know if I think it was "good", exactly. But I understand it, I agree with the reasoning of Korematsu, and I would have interned any visa holders from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, and Pakistan who did not depart within 15 days in September 2001, as I posted here repeatedly.
Foreign tourists contribute hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the economy. End that and you're going to lose tens of thousands of jobs and quite a bit of tax revenue. No country can survive the erasure of their borders.
Nobody is talking about erasing borders. But you want to make them impenetrable to everyone from outside the country. That doesn't help our survival either.
I don’t think Trump is going to intern anybody. He’s going to kick them out. And it cannot happen soon enough.
Declare a war against an identifiable enemy and we’ll talk about matters of engaging in war.
And I think Cruz takes Iowa and South Carolina and comes in near the top in New Hampshire. Disaster enough for you?
You sound like Beck with your constant diatribe and his audience is suffering because of it. So is yours.
And you prove my theory that you can tell a Trump fanatic, but you can't tell 'em much.
We’ve got people here agitating for internment.
Deportation is only applicable to non-citizens.
And there’s this elephant in the room: the malicious can simply deny any disqualifying factors when officially asked. Stupid plan - eject the cooperative & law-abiding, while ignoring the fallacy of asking the malicious if they’re malicious.
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