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How can it be a state if the central government controls 86% of its land and all of its resources?
April 22, 2014 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/22/2014 10:51:05 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Sounds like the very definition of elitism. The elites in Washington DC, most of whom have never set foot in Nevada (outside a casino), controlling what the local citizens can or cannot do on the land within their state boundaries? This is not the way America was intended to be governed. Ever heard of local control? Self-government? States rights?

To many of us out here in the West, pursuit of happiness means ranching, farming, logging, mining, drilling, hunting, fishing, or just living in and enjoying God's great outdoors. It's un-American and unconstitutional for unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in Washington DC to lock us out of our own lands.


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1 posted on 04/22/2014 10:51:05 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Uh, if they can elect and elect a rustler to be their Senator time after time?


2 posted on 04/22/2014 10:53:19 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson
Oligarchy:

Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning "few", and ἄρχω (arkho), meaning "to rule or to command") is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who typically pass their influence from one generation to the next, but inheritance is not a necessary condition for the application of this term.

Throughout history, oligarchies have been tyrannical (relying on public obedience and/or oppression to exist) or relatively benign. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy. However, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by bloodlines as in a monarchy.
3 posted on 04/22/2014 10:55:00 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Paladin2

The mob elects the mobster senator. They control him.


4 posted on 04/22/2014 10:55:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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That’s the point. What business do the feds have owning so much land that isn’t needed to be protected like a national park? They should sell it off voluntarily or by Congressional legislation. IMO, Nevada has a right to its land without some compelling reason otherwise.


5 posted on 04/22/2014 10:56:03 AM PDT by PapaNew
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I agree Jim. I put my love of off-road motorcycling on the back burner to raise my kids. It was August 2008 when I finally had a motorcycle suitable for off-road use...and the BLM promptly closed all the land nearby my home to motorcycling. The dirt bikes are gone now and the garage is full of street bikes. The firearms I have collected over the years to enable hunting are sitting mostly unused today. The BLM has blocked access to the lands where I would use them for hunting. Why do we allow unelected bureaucrats to control our lives?
6 posted on 04/22/2014 10:56:35 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Dallas59

I prefer Kleptocacy.


7 posted on 04/22/2014 10:57:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson

...but the U.N.’s Agenda 21 which Obama has fully embraced speaks otherwise. Another battle front.


8 posted on 04/22/2014 10:58:01 AM PDT by PapaNew
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It's sickening what the big-government elites have done to this country. And it's been going on for more than 100 years.

Time for the states to start taking it back.

9 posted on 04/22/2014 10:59:23 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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You just know this land is being used as colateral for all the loans we have been getting from the chinese to support our current welfare state....


10 posted on 04/22/2014 10:59:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: PapaNew

As long as the federal government keeps the land within her borders locked up and out of control by her own citizens, I don’t see how Nevada is even legally a state within the union. It’s been a century and a half since statehood. There’s no reason whatsoever to have the feds ruling over Nevada’s land. Or the land in any other of the western states. That’s not the way it was done in the other states.


11 posted on 04/22/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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With all due respect, sir, the nature of political rights, the economic and intrinsic value of humanity, morality, and our relationship with G-d are MAN-BASED, not DIRT-BASED.

So, while there are many good arguments against a government holding much dirt, the how a state’s dirt is owned is a small component of Statehood. Alaska versus Rhode Island being fine examples. Is an Alaskan more or less free than a Rhode Islander? More of Alaska is held by the Feds. But there are substantially more restrictions on the behavior of a “citizen” in Rhode Island.

So, I’ll argue that while we should have governments divest themselves of dirt because holding dirt is not their core function, merely holding dirt is not as inimical to freedom and citizenship as bureaucracy, laws limiting behavior, taxes, etc.

I love ya, Jim. And I concur on divestiture of land by governments. I choose to hold that issue lower than more direct assaults on our freedoms.


12 posted on 04/22/2014 11:02:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Myrddin

The unconstitutional Administrative State which, just like the multi-trillion dollar government, was latent until Obama. Only the American People with concerted effort and faith in a big God can take it down.


13 posted on 04/22/2014 11:02:42 AM PDT by PapaNew
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Economic warfare against republican states.

Lock up as much land as possible to kill jobs and business. Slows outflow from Democrat states.

Even shut down huge areas from recreational activity, to make it less attractive to move there.


14 posted on 04/22/2014 11:03:14 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Jim Robinson

The elites in Washington want control so that they have more things to tax, which of course generates greater revenues to feed the hungry beast of big government. Its all about self-serving interests and weilding political power.

They don’t want you to be independent. They want you to be dependent on them.


15 posted on 04/22/2014 11:03:59 AM PDT by Starboard
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That's the problem: in many ways, Nevada is effectively a federal territory, despite having been a state for 150 years.

The vast majority of Ohio was owned by the federal government in 1787.

16 years later, it became a state and most of the land had transitioned to private hands.

By 1815, federal holdings in Ohio were minimal.

If Nevada had followed that rate of progress, 90% of NV land would have been in private hands by 1900.

16 posted on 04/22/2014 11:04:07 AM PDT by wideawake
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East answer, there is _no_ state if it doesn’t have land. The _very_ definition of state within USA is the 50 land regions which are owned and controlled by soveriegn states.


17 posted on 04/22/2014 11:04:41 AM PDT by veracious
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But I see no constitutional justification for the feds holding on to that property. As far as I’m concerned Nevada has a greater constitutional right to that land than the feds.


18 posted on 04/22/2014 11:04:59 AM PDT by PapaNew
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The elites in Washington DC, most of whom have never set foot in Nevada (outside a casino)...

Sorry JR, I had to edit that a bit:

The elites in Washington DC, most of whom have never set foot in Nevada (outside a casino or bordello)...

19 posted on 04/22/2014 11:08:30 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Federal land grabs ARE a direct assault on our freedoms. Our ownership of property is a key element of our freedom.

Pretty much ANY unconstitutional action by the feds is an assault on our freedom. And if we don't stop the seemingly less direct intrusions, we may not be able to stop the direct intrusions.

20 posted on 04/22/2014 11:08:44 AM PDT by PapaNew
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