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Army Doc: Deployment Orders Illegal Without Pres. Obama's Birth Records
7NEWS ^ | December 14, 2010 | Deb Stanley,

Posted on 12/14/2010 6:12:11 AM PST by george76

FORT MEADE, Md. -- A military court was set to hear the case Tuesday of an Army doctor charged with refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he says he doubts whether President Barack Obama was born in the U.S. and therefore questions his eligibility to be commander in chief.

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, an 18-year Army veteran from Greeley, disobeyed orders to report earlier this year to Fort Campbell in Kentucky to prepare for deployment, saying he believed the orders were illegal.

In videos posted on YouTube, Lakin aligned himself with so-called "birthers" who question whether Obama is a natural-born citizen as the U.S. Constitution requires for presidents.

Lakin said in the videos that any reasonable person looking at available evidence would have questions about Obama's eligibility to be president and that he had "no choice" but to disobey orders. Lakin said he would "gladly deploy" if Obama's original birth certificate were released and proved authentic.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bannanarepublic; barack; barackobama; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; conspiracytheory; eligibility; illegalorder; injustice; kangaroocourt; lakin; longform; msm; naturalborncitizen; nwo; obama; obamabirthtruthers; soros; spookydude; terrencelakin
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To: usmcobra

“That Obama refuses to produce undeniable proof that he is eligible for the office he holds is enough to question weather he can legally order troops into battle.”

Agreed. I’m also sick of those who mock the ‘birfers’ on the right, and certainly also the left, who in so doing completely disregard a portion of the United States Constitution. I didn’t know we got to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution applied to the United States. Oh, that’s part of being a RAT socialist? Why would anyone on the right want to side with them? We should all be birfers proudly by default of the fact that we’re defenders of the USC. Unless we don’t care.


81 posted on 12/14/2010 3:03:16 PM PST by SeattleBruce (We voted - NOW we fight against vote fraud! Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Care to explain an affirmative defense, Professor?


82 posted on 12/14/2010 3:52:32 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (Soebarkah renounced his US Citizenship in 1968.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Care to explain an affirmative defense, Professor?

Say what?

83 posted on 12/14/2010 4:10:40 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: politicianslie
Obama was elected by the MSM as they failed to reveal the truth about this clown. . . IMHO, it's obvious to anyone with an IQ even approaching room temperature that Obama is not eligible to be POTUS.

Agree 100% the MSM and TV at large elected Obama. All very well planned and orchestrated right down to Oprah.

Obama is not eligible to be POTUS until proven otherwise. . The scary thing to me about Obama is Who is He? Where was he born? Who trained him? Is he an American, . or Indonesian, Russian, Kenyan? Anyone who's done any research about him on the internet has to conclude he's a hard core communist. Whom does he work for? The UN? Soros? . . and Soros works for Putin? So many possibilities, and, as you say, anyone with a room temperature IQ has to at least thought of these things. Man, do I miss Reagan. . .

Waiting for Sarah and the total, Total Tsunami coming in November 2012!

84 posted on 12/14/2010 6:55:50 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Beckwith

Dude,

You’re raggin’ NS pretty bad over this.

He’s no more an Obot than you are. The bottom line WRT Lt. Col. Lakin is that he chose badly. He does not have the standing to demand Zero produce a long form BC and neither do we.

This is the responsibility of the Secretaries of State of the states who have such a statute on their books which require validation. None of them did that with Zero in 2008.

It also was the responsibility of the DNC chair (who lied) and convention chair (Pelosi - who lied), the Electoral College electors(who never demanded proof) and ultimately with VP Cheney who dropped the ball and never demanded proof. VP Cheney could have demanded the long form BC, but did not. This issue was certainly in play when the EC met and VP Cheney was certifying the election.

The simple fact is Lt Col Lakin is going to the stockade for a few years for not following a lawful order.

Whether we like it or not, Zero IS the president until 1-20-13 or he is impeached, convicted, and removed from office. Thus the order to Lt. Col Lakin was lawful.

I hate Zero as much or more than anyone, but there has to be the acceptance of certain facts and realities. And the reality he is the lawful president. But until someone who has the standing (i.e. Electoral College electors, Secy of State of one of the states) demands the long form Birth Certificate, at the appropriate time, we’re stuck with this POS.


85 posted on 12/14/2010 6:56:24 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Heck has he proved his age?

Really the requirements for the job are really simple. 35 years old, NBC etc.

So without a valid BC how can he claim to have proved the first two requirements?

86 posted on 12/14/2010 7:11:04 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: NFHale

Sounds good to me.


87 posted on 12/14/2010 9:26:15 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And even if Colonel Lind had allowed it, how would it have exonerated Lakin from refusing to obey the lawful orders of three of his superior officers? It's a simple question to answer. Have at it.

At least two of the charges were based on orders made in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. By declaring Obama's eligibility as irrelevant, Judge Lind is basically stopping a jury from hearing Lakin's reasonable questions about Obama's constitutional eligibility as it relates to his officer's oath and a directive from the White House for a troop surge in Afghanistan. Thus, Lakin can't ask these officers he disobeyed: Was your order in direct support of Obama's surge? Would you have made this order if there was no surge? Would you have made this order if it was known the president was not constitutionally empowered to be your commander in chief? Can you, independent of the chain of command, order troops to deploy for combat operations any time and any place you choose??

88 posted on 12/14/2010 11:12:16 PM PST by edge919
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To: Ouderkirk

Dude?


89 posted on 12/15/2010 4:35:46 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: george76
May be irrelevant. Watch Interview with Attorney Stephen Pidgeon
Some interesting things here I thought.
90 posted on 12/15/2010 4:49:45 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: savedbygrace

Remember, when Rome persecuted the Church, that’s when the Church grew..... the Obots want to suppress this issue, but, Lakin has caused this issue to come to the forefront of national attention, don’t lose heart.


91 posted on 12/15/2010 5:03:57 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I have to congratulate you, and you may ask why ?
Well, if it was not for YOU Obots, then, this issue would have been forgotten about, so ? Thank you so much for persecuting those who want to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States...
92 posted on 12/15/2010 5:06:01 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Well, if it was not for YOU Obots, then, this issue would have been forgotten about, so ? Thank you so much for persecuting those who want to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States...

So long as there are Birthers like you then matters like this will never truly be forgotten.

93 posted on 12/15/2010 6:19:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
" So long as there are Birthers like you then matters like this will never truly be forgotten. "

Yeah, way to go Non-Secure, showing your true colors, forget the US Constitution... ...... as for me ? I don't want the US Constitution " Forgotten " so ? thanks for the encouragement of keeping the Constitution remembered.... thank you so much, I feel the love...
94 posted on 12/15/2010 6:29:27 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So ? you will go on record and say that you will never believe or become a " Birther " ? ... or go on record and say that you won't repent from the error of your ways ?
I will go on record and say that there is hope that you can repent, correct your error of your ways, or in your mind, say that you will consider that birthers might be right ?
95 posted on 12/15/2010 7:15:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: edge919
By declaring Obama's eligibility as irrelevant, Judge Lind is basically stopping a jury from hearing Lakin's reasonable questions about Obama's constitutional eligibility as it relates to his officer's oath and a directive from the White House for a troop surge in Afghanistan.

And as Colonel Lind quite correctly pointed out when she denied the relevence of that information, the President and Congress share control over the military; that the Constitution grants Congress the authority to make all necessary rules and regulations for the government of the sea and land forces; and that under the authority granted them by Article 10 of the U.S. code, the Secretary of the Army and the Secretary of Defense have the responsibility for assigning, detailing, and prescribing the duties of all members of the army. Lakin was given orders by individuals who get their authority from powers granted by Congess, not Obama. And this authority includes assigning them to Afghanistan or Iraq.

Lakin's sense makes no more sense than that used by Watada and Huet-Vaughn when they refused to deploy as ordered.

96 posted on 12/15/2010 7:40:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: American Constitutionalist
So ? you will go on record and say that you will never believe or become a " Birther " ? ... or go on record and say that you won't repent from the error of your ways ?

I will go on record as saying that I am not nor have I ever been a Birther. I will also go on record as saying that as soon as Birthers come up with solid evidence supporting their claims then my position would most likely change.

I will go on record and say that there is hope that you can repent, correct your error of your ways, or in your mind, say that you will consider that birthers might be right ?

You are entitled to hope.

97 posted on 12/15/2010 8:42:21 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
And as Colonel Lind quite correctly pointed out when she denied the relevence of that information, the President and Congress share control over the military; that the Constitution grants Congress the authority to make all necessary rules and regulations for the government of the sea and land forces; and that under the authority granted them by Article 10 of the U.S. code, the Secretary of the Army and the Secretary of Defense have the responsibility for assigning, detailing, and prescribing the duties of all members of the army.

As apropos to your name, this argument is a non-sequitur. Congress's shared constitutional authority doesn't make the authority of an ineligible president/CinC irrelevant, especially when we have a surge that was ordered directly under his authority. Congress is NOT the commander in chief, so there is plenty of relevance to having a commander in chief who is a fraud. Second, the statutory description of the SecDef specifies that he is at the discretion and direction of the president. Ignorning this part of the chain of command is idiocy. Why would we admit to a chain of command that includes Congress, the SecDef, Secretary of the Army and all the officers in between, but not the president?? Even you would be honest enough to admit this was terrible reasoning on Lind's part, no??

98 posted on 12/15/2010 9:29:32 AM PST by edge919
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To: edge919
Congress's shared constitutional authority doesn't make the authority of an ineligible president/CinC irrelevant, especially when we have a surge that was ordered directly under his authority.

But that does not mean that all orders of all kinds come from the CinC. Lakin was charged with refusing to obey the lawful orders of three superior officers. Obama eligibility or ineligibility had no bearing on whether those orders were lawful or not. Obama could be unmasked and removed from office tomorrow and those orders would still be as lawful then as the day they were issued.

Ignorning this part of the chain of command is idiocy.

Then by your definition every order given by every officer and NCO flows up to Obama. And if he is ineligible then every order given is illegal. So by rights nobody should be obeying any orders at all given by anyone in the military until the matter is settled. Does that about sum it up?

99 posted on 12/15/2010 11:40:44 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
But that does not mean that all orders of all kinds come from the CinC.

I don't disagree with this. There are certainly a multitude of functions within the military that are discretely independent and separate from the chain of command. Jensen went a little overboard in saying that all authority flows through the commander in chief (although there have been quotes from either the UCMJ or other military manuals that basically reinforce this general idea). For example, the authority to convene a court martial can originate from the president, thus it seems plausible that a servicemember could challenge that authority on the basis of an ineligible president.

Then by your definition every order given by every officer and NCO flows up to Obama.

I didn't say that. The court suggested that whatever shared authority exists within Congress and SecDef, etc., somehow overrides or substitutes for any presidential authority (basically treating him as figurehead with no discernable authority).

And if he is ineligible then every order given is illegal. So by rights nobody should be obeying any orders at all given by anyone in the military until the matter is settled. Does that about sum it up?

An ineligible, illegal president compromises our entire military structure, so if there is no accountability in Congress or the courts, then it might be the next best recourse for the military to disobey the fraud in the White House. It's an extreme measure, yes, but perhaps this is the only way to really do the right thing. Obama fits the definition of a domestic enemy by failing to prove his legitimacy. There would appear to be an obigation for our military to intervene on behalf of defending the Constitution.

100 posted on 12/15/2010 1:39:18 PM PST by edge919
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