Posted on 11/11/2009 9:29:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
A salamander allegedly “18 million years old” is the latest fossil to produce astonishingly well preserved soft tissue. This time, it’s muscle tissue, and it is supposedly the most pristine example yet.
Background—the “dinosaur connection”...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Way.
Creation required a process, we simply do not agree what that process was. You can't even explain what "spoke it into being" means, but it implies some kind of process. Do you mean God "willed it" and He chose to use none of the physics, chemistry, or mathematics He he also created?
"after his kind"? Does that mean there were cattle before God created the cattle on earth?
And no, I don't believe the AntiChrist is going to rise up in 2012 because of some crystal school and Mayan/Egyptian/Horas sun god correlation of the dot product from the vectors of multiple celestial objects.
Maybe I am a Buddhist and I believe that my God will turn you into a cricket in your next life...
Does that make me a an atheist or a pagan?
Certainly not what Dante wrote. He was just a dude selling wares to crackpots.
But you’ve already said evolution is the creation process though Darwin felt no need of a Creator in his philosophy.
I really hate it when man tries to give God human attributes. It diminishes God.
Still attacking Darwin instead of the science I see.
1) Darwin didn't have a philosophy, he had a scientific theory.
2) Darwin may have had periods of doubt, not unlike anyother person, but in the end he affirmed the work of the Creator as the origin of life. Hie scientific theory dealt with origins of the diversity of life.
Now, either keep up or don't keep trying to run with the big dogs.
I see you decided to shove your head even deeper into the sand. Perhaps, this will help. After all, the evos date the following dino at nearly five times older than the salamander find. But it probably won’t do you any good as your anti-science Temple of Darwin religion is just too strong to come to terms with the emirical evidence staring you right in the face:
“The two scientists had decided to collaborate again after Schweitzer and paleontologist Jack Horner of Montana State University’s Museum of the Rockies recovered the 80-million-year-old Brachylophosaurus canadensis femur bone in the summer of 2007 and observed that it appeared to be even better preserved than the original T. rex fossil.
Schweitzer’s initial laboratory analyses confirmed this observation: After being subjected to demineralization, the B. canadensis bone fragments showed marked preservation of original tissues and molecules, with microstructures resembling soft, transparent vessels, cells and fibrous matrix – even though the fossil was much older than the T. rex sample.
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Chemical extractions of bone and vessel were subsequently sent to the laboratories of BIDMC scientists Lewis Cantley, PhD, and Raghu Kalluri, PhD, where immunoblots and immunochemistry analyses were conducted to determine the presence of collagen protein in the samples.
“Having been a part of the T. rex study, I was curious to be part of this investigation as well,” explains Cantley, Chief of the Division of Signal Transduction at BIDMC. “In view of the skepticism about the original findings, it was important to demonstrate that our findings in T. rex could be verified in another dinosaur and in other laboratories.”
The results confirmed the existence of protein. “Because I am a collagen biochemist, our lab was contacted to perform an independent analysis of this new bone find,” explains Kalluri, who is Chief of the Division of Matrix Biology at BIDMC. “We isolated the proteins – collagen, laminin and elastin – from the bone, and also extracted bone cells and blood vessels from this sample. Our findings demonstrated that it did contain basement membrane matrix.”
In addition, In situ mass spectrometry studies conducted at Montana State University by Recep Avci and Zhiyong Suo independently verified amino acids in dinosaur tissues, including the collagen signature amino acid, hydroxylated proline.
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The end result was a total of eight collagen peptides and 149 amino acids from four different samples, sequences that held up when multiple validation steps were performed, including comparisons with synthetic peptides using a spectral comparison algorithm and statistical evaluation.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090430144528.htm
Liberal evo-atheists philosophers posing as scientists is an apt description!
CYC gave up on running with me.
I ask several if they really believe those silly stories like the one about Jonah and the whale and they will not answer?
Do they really believe and are just to embarrassed to admit their belief or is it that the don't really believe?
Ping to metmom, my previous post.
CW: He lied. Not every tree. Remember? Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden.
Well there we have it folks. CW has determined that God is a liar.
The mask has slipped and now we know what CW's previously unspoken agenda is here on FR.
He also likes to put a quote in his tagline that he attributes to Jim Robinson. Why do you do that, CW? Since you have nothing but contempt for those who champion God and Creation, I can only assume that you are mocking Jim in some way.
You are SO way off base. But then again, what can we expect from someone that misrepresents the Bible.
That’s rich coming from someone who believes that God is a liar and the Bible is full of stories that are not true.
The amount of hypocrisy it takes to accuse someone of misrepresenting the Bible while taking a position like that is simply staggering.
The more of your posts I read the more evidence that you have never had any academic or professional exposure to actual science. You simply lack the ability to critically think. Every actual scientist arduously tests his own points of view and assumptions BEFORE communicating them to the world. On the other hand the moment you find a single piece of potentially corroborating information or speculation you fire up your spam engine and transmit QED ad naseum. Even if you demonstrate that an entire T-Rex thigh and drumstick were preserved intact you cannot make the assumption that that proves them to be less than 6,000 years old. For that tissue to have survived even a few weeks means that some form of extraordinary preservation mechanism was in play. You have also not explained why that preservation mechanism is good for 6,000 years, but 60 million years.
Why don't you start by telling us what activation energy and energy levels (in terms of electron volts) you used in your Arrhenius calculations to arrive at the impact on decomposition forces that would result in dino meat being identifiable over a logarithmic time scale from six years to sixty million years. We can then begin to speculate what the extraordinary preservation methods might have been and get some definable confidence interval on the probability of your aging presumptions. Otherwise your dog just don't hunt.
I never said God is a liar. God cannot lie. Do you believe that silly story about Jonah and the whale? I cannot get even a single creationists to admit that they do!
The amount of hypocrisy it takes to accuse someone of misrepresenting the Bible while taking a position like that is simply staggering.
hmmm. Both you and GGG admitted y'all were in error. It is not an accusation, it is a fact.
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