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To: Natufian; count-your-change; RoadGumby; metmom; CottShop; editor-surveyor; Agamemnon; ...

I see you decided to shove your head even deeper into the sand. Perhaps, this will help. After all, the evos date the following dino at nearly five times older than the salamander find. But it probably won’t do you any good as your anti-science Temple of Darwin religion is just too strong to come to terms with the emirical evidence staring you right in the face:

“The two scientists had decided to collaborate again after Schweitzer and paleontologist Jack Horner of Montana State University’s Museum of the Rockies recovered the 80-million-year-old Brachylophosaurus canadensis femur bone in the summer of 2007 and observed that it appeared to be even better preserved than the original T. rex fossil.

Schweitzer’s initial laboratory analyses confirmed this observation: After being subjected to demineralization, the B. canadensis bone fragments showed marked preservation of original tissues and molecules, with microstructures resembling soft, transparent vessels, cells and fibrous matrix – even though the fossil was much older than the T. rex sample.

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Chemical extractions of bone and vessel were subsequently sent to the laboratories of BIDMC scientists Lewis Cantley, PhD, and Raghu Kalluri, PhD, where immunoblots and immunochemistry analyses were conducted to determine the presence of collagen protein in the samples.

“Having been a part of the T. rex study, I was curious to be part of this investigation as well,” explains Cantley, Chief of the Division of Signal Transduction at BIDMC. “In view of the skepticism about the original findings, it was important to demonstrate that our findings in T. rex could be verified in another dinosaur and in other laboratories.”

The results confirmed the existence of protein. “Because I am a collagen biochemist, our lab was contacted to perform an independent analysis of this new bone find,” explains Kalluri, who is Chief of the Division of Matrix Biology at BIDMC. “We isolated the proteins – collagen, laminin and elastin – from the bone, and also extracted bone cells and blood vessels from this sample. Our findings demonstrated that it did contain basement membrane matrix.”

In addition, In situ mass spectrometry studies conducted at Montana State University by Recep Avci and Zhiyong Suo independently verified amino acids in dinosaur tissues, including the collagen signature amino acid, hydroxylated proline.

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The end result was a total of eight collagen peptides and 149 amino acids from four different samples, sequences that held up when multiple validation steps were performed, including comparisons with synthetic peptides using a spectral comparison algorithm and statistical evaluation.”

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090430144528.htm


110 posted on 11/11/2009 1:43:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
You have been honest with me in the past. I have asked a couple of questions to others that get no response. I ask metmom if she believe that God is the Intelligent Designer and she will not answer.

I ask several if they really believe those silly stories like the one about Jonah and the whale and they will not answer?

Do they really believe and are just to embarrassed to admit their belief or is it that the don't really believe?

113 posted on 11/11/2009 1:50:31 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts; ColdWater; count-your-change
GGG,

The more of your posts I read the more evidence that you have never had any academic or professional exposure to actual science. You simply lack the ability to critically think. Every actual scientist arduously tests his own points of view and assumptions BEFORE communicating them to the world. On the other hand the moment you find a single piece of potentially corroborating information or speculation you fire up your spam engine and transmit QED ad naseum. Even if you demonstrate that an entire T-Rex thigh and drumstick were preserved intact you cannot make the assumption that that proves them to be less than 6,000 years old. For that tissue to have survived even a few weeks means that some form of extraordinary preservation mechanism was in play. You have also not explained why that preservation mechanism is good for 6,000 years, but 60 million years.

Why don't you start by telling us what activation energy and energy levels (in terms of electron volts) you used in your Arrhenius calculations to arrive at the impact on decomposition forces that would result in dino meat being identifiable over a logarithmic time scale from six years to sixty million years. We can then begin to speculate what the extraordinary preservation methods might have been and get some definable confidence interval on the probability of your aging presumptions. Otherwise your dog just don't hunt.

119 posted on 11/11/2009 2:31:30 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

“The end result was a total of eight collagen peptides and 149 amino acids from four different samples, sequences that held up when multiple validation steps were performed, including comparisons with synthetic peptides using a spectral comparison algorithm and statistical evaluation.””

I imagine that the irony of you posting this excellent piece of scientific endeavor by the very people who are fully paid up members of the “anti-science Temple of Darwin religion” isn´t registering with right now, yeah?

I think they deserve a pat of the back for such great work. Finding intact peptides and amino acids of such age is amazing. Just imagine what knowledge we can unveil in the future. It´s truly exciting.

What it ain´t is soft musculatur or blood vessels. Keep digging....or should I say keep lying for God.


152 posted on 11/11/2009 3:13:15 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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