Posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by DCBryan1
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
It is amazingly ironic as well that Imams, CAIR officials and others can talk openly without "official" stigma by the PTBs and MSM, yet Americans who wish to hold public discussions on the US Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights are demonized and labels as "extremists" by Homeland Security et al..
(this is supposed to be a melting pot, not a potters wheel)
You should market that as a tag line or bumper sticker... /g
The corollary is that if you can't be trusted with lethal force, you can't be trusted in public.
If the media had done its job properly, competently and effectively, and I include Fox in this, we, the American people would not be wallowing a pit of ignorance about the threat we face.
Heck, if people read jihadwatch on a regular basis, say even once a week for the past 6-7 years, they would be in no doubt of the insidious threat.
But a response I got in the past was, “Jihadwatch, what’s that some right wing wacko site you like.....” in various social situations where I had the temerity to suggest that the NYT wasn’t gospel.
A people wilfully ignorant of the threat facing them will pay the price.
Not until the PC scales fall from our eyes, as you've said.
Meanwhile, NPR reports that there are LAPD patrol cars outside every mosque in LA, for THEIR protection.
Stop the World, I Want to Get Off.
In a way, well enough. But that changes day to day and with news like what happened yesterday, it changes for the worse. Which can tend to make EVERYTHING worse. It pretty much drains me of any desire to do ANYTHING. Which is NOT a good way to be. Prayers are always desired and useful!
Yes, you’re right. And then there’s the professed disagreement with outrageous acts issued by these groups, that always come with excuses and or disclaimers by the end of the statement.
Thanks for the comment on that phrase of mine.
Carry_Okie, I have some sympathy for that corollary. I also see some problems with it.
Should certain acts have much stiffer penalties, ones that can’t be severely discounted? I believe so.
Should we be allowing a guy to walk out of prison one day and own a weapon the next day? I don’t think so.
If the person went to prison for a violent crime, I still think there should be an additional cooling off period after release. Did they get straight or an education in prison. When the answer to that question is clear, I’m a lot more inclined to agree or object to gun ownership.
LOL..thanks.
They are still calling this a ‘tragedy” or an “act of violence”...When will they call it a Terrorist Attack??
“What this situation has provided is a wonderful example of a place operating under the strictest gun controls STILL failing to prevent a gun-related crime. They have perimeter control. They have vehicle searches. They have locked and attended ammo lockers. They have regulations. They have police. They probably even have detection equipment.
It didn’t work.”
Carry_Okie you have hit the nail on the hid. With this insane PC world we live in, this is not even acknowledged in the MSM or general population. Twitter was active with posts of support and a few links to new information but also a large number of people accusing those like us of being racist and jumping on the “hate Islam” band wagon.
FOX has provided pathetic coverage in my opinion. With all the resources they have at their disposal, it is truly pathetic. (I was up late last night, perusing the internet and found much more information than the re-runs of the same coverage, over and over again on FOX.)
Of course, and they're as old as the hills. But think about it for a bit (which was the purpose of the aphorism), if a person cannot discern rightly or cannot control themselves sufficiently to handle deadly force, should we TRUST them in public without supervision? The idea was to give you sufficient pause to consider whom and how.
Should certain acts have much stiffer penalties, ones that can’t be severely discounted? I believe so.
Should we be allowing a guy to walk out of prison one day and own a weapon the next day? I don’t think so.
IMO, under no circumstances should a person be released from prison without having made full restitution AND virtual certainty they pose NO threat. Else we should detain them in a lower security facility performing said restitution.
Note, I didn't say "weapon." People possess deadly force in their hands. What I am effectively saying is that the cost to society in liberty and wealth posed by all of us locking up our possessions and ducking for cover is so high that we should reconsider the entire paradigm. Needless to say, I know that won't be popular at first, but I really don't think we rightly understand the price we're paying.
I’m sure you realize how the parole boards work today. Can you see a time when they would work better than they do today? Hey, if so you may have a point. I just don’t see this happening. You’ll always have the left trying to get people out two days after they are incarcerated for violent crime. That’s the reality of it.
I agree that the costs are high today. You won’t see me advocating violent people be released prior to them serving their whole sentence. In many instance you’ll see my saying they should have served more time. One thing that neither of us has addressed, is the fact that the worst of these people can and will arm themselves, even if not allowed to do it legally.
When I'm dealing in principle, I don't bother with "how things are today," because to CHANGE "how things are" one needs to have an idea where one should go when it comes to reintegrating the dysfunctional. Somebody told us how to do that you know.
When you have people with degrees who are otherwise well qualified, how do you prevent them from becoming part of the governing boards that determine penal policies?
I’m trying to be reasonable, but in practical terms I still don’t see how you arrive at the place you want to be.
I’ll read that page more in depth later. Perhaps you do have something in there that would help.
OPINIONS:
Thanks to Liberal Bob for emailing in his latest video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sw5YNDn2gI
“10.2% unemployment is a good thing;Ft Hood at what point do you call it terrorism?”
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2380342/posts
“Political Correctness and the Ft. Hood Shooting”
NRO ^ | Nov. 6, 2009 | Stephanie Guttman
Posted on November 6, 2009 2:04:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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Army Major Declared Sole Suspect in Hood Shooting
By Lisa Daniel
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Nov. 5, 2009 – U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is believed to be the lone shooter of some 43 people on Fort Hood, Texas, and he survived being shot by a civilian police officer, the base commander said.
COMMANDER’S BRIEF -
In a televised press briefing tonight, Army Lt Gen. Robert Cone corrected earlier reports that said Hasan and the police officer, who shot him several times, were killed. Rather, he said, both are recovering at a nearby hospital.
All but two of the victims are soldiers, Cone said.
Cone confirmed the identity of Hasan, reportedly a psychiatrist on the base who was scheduled soon to deploy, but would not say more about the suspect. Hasan has been in the company of a Criminal Investigative Division officer since the midday shooting, he said.
In answer to a reporter’s question, Cone said of the suspect, “I would say his death is not imminent.” Hasan is not yet talking to investigators.
Three other soldiers were initially detained for questioning, but later released. After interviewing more than 100 people at the scene, Cone said, investigators determined there was only one shooter.
While investigators haven’t ruled out terrorism in the case, Cone said, the evidence doesn’t suggest it.
The shooting began about 1:30 Central Time at Hood’s Soldier Family Readiness Center where Cone said soldiers from multiple units were crowded into the center for a scheduled weekly “make up time” for medical and dental appointments.
Casualties were high due to the enclosed location, but would have been much worse were it not for the training and quick reaction of the soldiers, Cone said, adding that he was on the scene quickly after the shooting began.
“Suffice it to say…the American soldier did a great job,” he said.
From the reports of eyewitnesses, he said, the soldiers – “many of them combat lifesavers” — reacted instantaneously, ripping off parts of their own clothing to treat the wounded.
“I credit the first responders,” he said. “God bless these soldiers and Department of Army civilians. As horrible as this was, it could have been much worse.”
Some 600 people attending a college graduation of 138 soldiers in an adjacent building were unharmed because first responders secured the building, he said.
The suspect is believed to have used two handguns in the shooting, one a semiautomatic, Cone said. And in responding to a question, “As a matter of practice, we do not carry weapons on Fort Hood,” he said. “This is our home.”
However, Cone said, “We will increase our security presence here in the coming days.”
The FBI is working the investigation, along with military and other law enforcement, he said. The base was on lockdown until 7 p.m., a base spokesman said.
For now, Cone said, Fort Hood officials are focused on caring for the wounded, securing the base, notifying victims’ families and providing grief counseling. A family hotline is available to obtain information at 254-288-7570.
Cone, who received a call from President Barack Obama soon after the shooting, said he was grateful for an outpouring of support. “It is truly overwhelming the offers of support we have had from around the nation,” the general said. “Tomorrow at Fort Hood, we return to normalcy, schools will be open.”
The Central Texas base is the military’s largest, covering some 340 square miles and is home to 40,000 soldiers. And, according to its Web site, is known as “The Great Place” for its quality of life for soldiers and their families.
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Blood Donations Aid Fort Hood Victims
By Army Sgt. 1st Class Michael J. Carden
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Nov. 6, 2009 – Blood donations came from nine different sources in overwhelming quantities in response to yesterday’s shooting on Fort Hood, Texas, showing strong pride around the nation for the military community, the director of the Army’s blood program at the said at the Pentagon today.
Twelve soldiers and one civilian were killed, and 30 people were injured in the shooting at Fort Hood’s Soldier-Family Readiness Center.
As of this morning, at least 17 of the wounded were treated with some form of blood transfusion at the Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood, whether by plasma, red blood cells or platelets, Army Col. Ron Fryar said in a Pentagon Channel interview.
Several of the other wounded were evacuated to civilian hospitals in Killen and Austin, Texas, but Fryar said he did not have statistics available for those who may have received blood transfusions outside of Fort Hood.
Fort Hood’s Robertson Blood Center maintains an inventory of 30 to 40 units of blood products. But almost immediately after yesterday’s shooting, more than 800 products were moved there and to other nearby civilian medical facilities, he said.
“I’m extremely proud of how our folks reacted across the Army blood program and across the armed services,” Fryar said, also noting his satisfaction for support from civilian blood clinics. “Across the U.S., blood came pouring down to central Texas to help.”
Most of the patients are now stable or nearly so, so the Army is asking all of its blood centers to stand down their collection transfers, he said.
The unused blood products from civilian blood centers are expected to be returned, and the blood from military blood centers will be redistributed based on routine needs, the colonel said.
Fryar also pointed out that blood donations aren’t in need only amid a mass-casualty crisis, and he encouraged the population, particularly young people, to donate when and as often as they can. Donations support a host of routine needs throughout the medical community, he said.
Someone somewhere always is in need of blood, Fryar said.
“Just don’t lose that thought or that feeling of wanting to help our fellow citizens out,” he said. “We can do that all year long. A blood donation is one of those ways you can contribute to your community.”
Related Sites:
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Fort Hood suspect said his goodbyes before rampage
Associated Press ^ | Nov. 6, 2009 | MIKE BAKER and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Posted on November 6, 2009 2:29:46 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) - As if going off to war, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan cleaned out his apartment, gave leftover frozen broccoli to one neighbor and called another to thank him for his friendship—common courtesies and routines of the departing soldier. Instead, authorities say, he went on the killing spree that left 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, dead.
Investigators examined Hasan’s computer, his home and his garbage Friday to learn what motivated the suspect, who lay in a coma, shot four times in the frantic bloodletting that also wounded 30. Hospital officials said some of the wounded had extremely serious injuries and might not survive.
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Kiel Native Killed in Fort Hood Shootings
WBAY ^ | 11/6/2009 | Emily Matesic
Posted on November 6, 2009 2:33:06 PM PST by Saije
A 1998 graduate of Kiel High School is among the 13 people killed Thursday when 39-year-old Major Nidal Hasan opened fire on his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, getting ready to deploy overseas. Thirty people were wounded.
Staff Sergeant Amy Krueger was killed at Fort Hood.
The first thing the mayor of Kiel did Friday morning when he heard the news about 29-year-old Amy Krueger was to order all the flags in the city lowered to half-staff.
The mayor, who’s too close to the Krueger family to speak on-camera, told us he feels overwhelmed and he still can’t believe Amy Krueger was killed.
“She enjoyed being in the military and was proud of it,” family friend Paul Schweitzer said.
We’re told at 29 years old, Amy was wise behind her years. Joining the military was something she considered, but it wasn’t until after the September 11 terrorist attacks that she enlisted.
A mental health specialist, she helped other soldiers deal with combat stress.
She had arrived at Fort Hood just this past Tuesday and was killed while preparing for her second deployment to Afghanistan.
“She was actually kind of excited. She said, ‘I’m a little worried but I’m excited at the same time.’ She said she didn’t know exactly how she felt but she was excited about it,” Schweitzer said.
Friends and the Kiel High School principal tell us Amy just loved life.
“Amy was just a very good kid,” principal Dario Talerico recalled. “She was always happy, had a lot of friends, and had some friends she stayed close with.”
Those friends were gathering Friday afternoon at Amy Krueger’s mother’s house, relying on one another to get through a difficult time.
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