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Bishop V. Gene Robinson: Where is the Christian perspective on health care?
Manchester Union Leader ^ | oct. 2, 2009 | Bishop Vickie Gene Robinson

Posted on 10/05/2009 11:36:54 AM PDT by meandog

Health care is in the news — but you have to wonder where all the Christians are. This is one of the biggest issues facing our country and our people, yet no one seems to be bringing a Christian voice or tone to that debate. Have you noticed?

During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance, many of whom who forgo care altogether and then wind up in emergency rooms with more serious, more fully developed illnesses than would have been the case had they sought preventive care. There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care. What happened to "no red states or blue states, but rather the United States?" Political partisanship threatens to short-circuit any progress on providing health care to all.

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To: brytlea

I DON’T.


61 posted on 10/05/2009 12:23:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: MNJohnnie

I guess he never heard about “Render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar’; and to God, the things that are God’s.”

There must be a special bible for LIBs.


62 posted on 10/05/2009 12:28:02 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: MNJohnnie

Unfortunately, I don’t make enough money to put a dent into what the poor need. I consider part of my taxes that would go to health care, to be my part in that ministering.


63 posted on 10/05/2009 12:28:42 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

Was my clarification in #42 sufficient?


64 posted on 10/05/2009 12:31:40 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

You don’t have to make that much to “make a dent” -

all that is required is 10% (God’s “flat tax”) of your FIRST fruits.


65 posted on 10/05/2009 12:32:19 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB

As I said, my ministering is in the form of tax payments. The government has more information on where it is needed than I do, and it can certainly reach more people than I can.


66 posted on 10/05/2009 12:35:18 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: meandog

I cannot think of one verse in the Bible that advocates taking wealth from one group of persons by force to help another group of persons in need.

This is where the secular moralists miss out on the Christian message. Giving to the poor is only secondarily about the actual benefit to those in need. It is primarily about the voluntary (emphasis needed) sacrifice by individuals to help other individuals. It is important that the recipients know that an individual sacrificed to help them. Humility on both sides of the giving equation enhances dependence on God’s goodness by all.

Those who do not believe in God have no business telling us who do what He says.


67 posted on 10/05/2009 12:37:11 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: meandog

Yea that’s just so Christian of you Bish Gene. Let’s give money to those in government so they can squander it on their own sins instead of doling it out to the poor like they say they will. Just brilliant.


68 posted on 10/05/2009 12:37:35 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
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To: meandog

Bishop, Jesus said, “Feed my sheep”. He was speaking to His followers. He didn’t say, “Government, feed my sheep.” We’re supposed to do it ourselves. Why is it so difficult for liberals to understand this?


69 posted on 10/05/2009 12:39:11 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (No apologies.)
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To: stuartcr
From my research into worldviews, this

my ministering is in the form of tax payments. The government has more information on where it is needed than I do, and it can certainly reach more people than I can.

is the worldview, assumptions, and view of government that a LEFTIST has.

That gov't knows enough to spend our money better than a local entity. That those in power are inherently better able to use the resources than a local entity.

Of course, without faith, you wouldn't trust a church, or God, for that matter, to make sure that the resources you "donate" (like taxes are donated, ha) go where they are needed and will be multiplied. I guess you have to put your faith somewhere, and it's pretty clear that yours is in the government.

70 posted on 10/05/2009 12:39:46 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ResponseAbility

Another case of B deciding what C MUST do for A, in order that B can feel good about himself.


71 posted on 10/05/2009 12:40:42 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Why is it so difficult for liberals to understand this?

They interpret "Feed my sheep" as "Hey, you there! Mr. Moneybags, feed my sheep. You know, the lazy sheep who won't work."

Sick, twisted, freaks. There ought to be a special place ... for libtards who quote the Bible to justify their pathetic immoral value system.

72 posted on 10/05/2009 12:45:02 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
There ought to be a special place ... for libtards who quote the Bible to justify their pathetic immoral value system.

This, actually, is more what the commandment to not use the Lord's name in vain means than uttering it as a swear word.

73 posted on 10/05/2009 12:47:24 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: stuartcr
Answer the question Stewie.

Why, despite decades of Government programs and trillions of dollars in transfer payments, do we still have poverty>?

74 posted on 10/05/2009 12:49:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: stuartcr
As I said, my ministering is in the form of tax payments. The government has more information on where it is needed than I do, and it can certainly reach more people than I can.

And THAT's the problem, right there.

The liberal Vicki Imogene interpretation of "What Would Jesus Do" simply allows the heedless and lazy to sidestep their personal obligation to care for the poor and needy by claiming that the government can do it 'better'. (Against every sort of evidence to the contrary, btw, but that's not relevant to the point here).

God did not command that you give "X Dollars" to the poor. He said, though, that you must give - not some faceless government bureaucrat who takes a huge chunk of your tax dollars for himself before any of it helps a poor person. If you can't tithe because of your obligations (including your tax burden), give what you can. If you don't have any money, give of your time.

Thinking that enforced tax on others for the benefit of politically favored groups somehow constitutes 'charity' violates any number of Biblical principles -- including 'render unto Caesar', 'he who will not work shall not eat', 'the Lord loveth a cheerful giver', the principle of subsidiarity, and of course 'thou shalt not steal'.

75 posted on 10/05/2009 12:49:55 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: MrB

So. I have no problem with admitting that in some views, I take what would be called a leftist or liberal perspective.

My faith is ultimately with God, as everything that happens, is His doing. I believe that one of the reasons He gave us governments, is so that large number of persons can be taken care of.


76 posted on 10/05/2009 12:52:20 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: MNJohnnie

The question in #16, was mine. Should I answer my own question?

I guess we still have poverty, because God said we would.


77 posted on 10/05/2009 12:54:47 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: meandog

Killing off Grannie and prioritizing productive citizens for health care a la Ezekiel Emmanuel and the Democrats sure ain’t the Christian thing to do...


78 posted on 10/05/2009 12:55:14 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: stuartcr
I believe that one of the reasons He gave us governments, is so that large number of persons can be taken care of.

That's your belief, but can you back it up?
If it is the will of God that governments and not the church or His people are the entity to be in charge of taking care of large numbers of people in need, there's surely some scripturally revealed indication of that that you can refer me to.

79 posted on 10/05/2009 12:57:07 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Hello Frisco!!!!!!!


80 posted on 10/05/2009 12:58:30 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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