Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
I think you mean Chief Engineer.
Ron, I've got to say that I am very disappointed in your analysis of this document, particularly since you haven't released any sort of forensic report, as of yet.
Of all people, you should know that legitimate COLBs exist. The mere existence of this CCRB does not in itself indicate "Forgery", as you so boldly proclaim.
And that's another thing. Why do you proclaim that this is a forgery, then go on to say in your post that you and your "group" are continuing to study it? Makes no sense.
You made your name here as someone who could puzzle out fraudulent details from computer images, yet nothing in your post relates to anomalies you may have found in the image that cause you to doubt the authenticity of the document.
Instead, you quote findings from people in your "group", whoever they are.
It appears to me that you've made a premature definitive finding in this case, and that is going to hurt your credibility with Freepers. It's simply not professional. You really should know that.
Very disappointed...
You missed it by 4 seconds! Well, you can try agign in the morning at 8000. *smiles*
I think this Kenyan birth certificate to-do may be a red herring. After reading an article on www.wnd.com, I would like to see the public records of the marriage and the divorce of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr. I’ve been looking at pictures of President Obama and Malcolm X—there is a definite resemblance between the two. And, I looked further and compared pictures of President Obama’s younger daughter and Malcolm X’s third daughter and the resemblance (especially around the mouth) is uncanny.
Forgive me. I've been reading this thread for 4 days and my head is spinning. But, wasn't it the OPPOSITE case? The law was written so that Alexander Hamilton COULD NOT run for President?
1.Birthplace: Nevis, British West Indies
SO... How old is OBAMA???
He has told me that he cannot form ANY opinion on the authenticity of the document without another like it, of known provenance, that can be used for valid comparison.
John, I agree with you almost 100% of the time, but on this, you are mistaken. Polarik clearly called this document a forgery (in bold text, no less) in his very first post to this thread.
I had seen his post earlier in the thread, and didn't comment, but Horry's reply to Polarik made me go back and take another look.
If you look at Polarik's statement, it doesn't even include one iota of digital image analysis, which is what he's built his reputation on here.
I've got to say that I'm mighty disappointed in Polarik for prematurely stating that this document is a forgery before issuing a complete finished report. I told him so tonight, as a matter of fact.
No. I have repeatedly made the point that there is an inconsistency in the claim that many make that both parents have to be citizens before their children can be natural born citizens.
Apparently are a bit too dense to follow what I have written so you assume it is lies and nonsense.
To wit: If both parents of a natural born citizen have to be citizens, then by definition Barry is not a natural born citizen. If Barry was born in Hawaii then, at best he is a citizen, but not a natural born citizen. If Barry was born in Kenya, then he is not even a citizen. In the case of Barry being born in Kenya, then it is the case that Sasha and Melita Obama are at best citizens but not natural born citizens.
In other words, if you believe it takes two US Citizens to produce a natural born US citizen, then if Barry’s Kenya birth is proven, then you must also accept that Sasha and Melita will never be eligible to run for POTUS.
What pray tell, is the lie or controversy in that?
As a genealogist I find these words to be very telling,
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen.
1. She said vital records, plural, meaning there is more than one document. Could suggest a name change or adoption record that would be included with the birth record.
2. She is NOT saying that SHE is verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii. She says that she has seen the VITAL RECORDS VERIFYING Obama was born in Hawaii.
However, the birth records could have been amended.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
welcome
So far you haven’t said anything particularly convincing—I remain of the understanding that the natural born subject law which dates back to the 12th Century was the historical origin of the concept.
If you have citations to particular legal authorities that lead to some different answer I will look at them; at the point where I have time to do so, I might even look at the issue myself.
But all I see from what you have said is some stuff that doesn’t fit as authority—maybe you have a point. But if so, it isn’t apparent from anything you have said yet.
Thank you.
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BP2,
Wow, awesome work! I’ll bet the BC is that missing page.
I have been watching , expecting forgery. But so far, I have not seen any clear indications of forgery.
If it is a forged Doc, it’s a good one.
Time will tell.
No public records of their marriage have surfaced, but there are numerous records of their divorce. YOu just have to spend hours and hours reading like everyone else.
Not so.
They are "native born" American citizens, which is also referred to as citizens by statute. Not natural born, which is a special class (which most of us fit into, by the way).
They cannot ever become President, under our Constitution.
Please don't ask me to quote or link to the source on this. It's been posted at FR too many times to count.
It might help you if you read the debates of the Constitutional Convention.
But, if your anti-American bias is as inherent as it seems; it might not help.
Just wanted to say I greatly enjoy reading your comments; have been absent from FR for a couple of hiatuses (hiati?) and got back just in time for this document adrenalin.
Even though I am uneducated and have a hard time with legal stuff but your comments are very understandable and I look forward to reading more.
BP2:
As always, EXCEPTIONAL work. You are truly a credit to Free republic!
DE
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