Is Obama’s presidency threatened? [Birth Certificate]

The Delhi Statesman ^ | July 18, 2009 | Rajinder Puri

[2ndDivisionVet]

Even while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pursues her five-day visit to India, an event has occurred in the USA that could conceivably snowball into a major controversy to cut short President Obama’s tenure. Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution states: “No person except a US born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President.”

During the last US campaign a controversy arose about Obama’s birthplace. Critics were unsure if he was born in the USA or Kenya. Obama’s campaign committee released a Hawaiian birth certificate on 13 June, 2008. Sceptics alleged that it had signs of forgery.

Obama maintained he was born in Hawaii. One hospital, Honolulu ‘s Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children, claims it received a letter from the President declaring his birth there. But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to authenticate the letter. For nearly six months the hospital proudly declared Obama was born at its facility to create poll hype. Later it covered up and refused to confirm if the letter actually existed. The letter was purportedly signed by Barak Obama. If the signature was forged it was a most serious offence. Was any action taken against the Hospital?

This week the controversy about Obama’s birthplace resurfaced dramatically. A US Army Reserve, Major Stefan Frederick Cook, scheduled for deployment to Afghanistan, refused to serve claiming that the order was illegal because the American President was not legitimate. He argued that he should not be required to serve under a President who has not proven his eligibility for office. “As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is my duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a ‘natural-born citizen,’ he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief,” Major Cook said. “Then any order coming out of the presidency or his chain of command is illegal. Should I deploy, I would essentially be following an illegal order. If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections.”

The military created shock waves by revoking the deployment order without giving any reasons. Thereby it evaded a reply to Major Cook’s objection and implicitly acknowledged that it could offer no proof of President Obama’s birth in the USA. If the military cannot vouch for President Obama’s legitimacy the implications can be very far-reaching. Major Cook’s case is being heard in the court of US District Judge David O Carter. The judge told the plaintiffs to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to “the merits” of their case. The date of the hearing was fixed for 16 July.

It is unlikely that the US mainstream media will highlight the event. But regardless of the judge’s verdict, will the issue die? If it snowballs into a crisis America could face a cruel choice. While it battles a severe economic meltdown it may have to either remove a most popular President or violate its Constitution.

[Krodg]

This matter will not be resolved by the supreme court, it has no jurisdiction IMO

I don't believe anyone is saying the supreme court can oust the fraud. What they are saying is that the SC should hear a case by an injured party and have him produce the birth certificate. Once the birth certificate is out,Congress should step in.

[El Gato]

since McCain was not born on US soil, or the Army base).

It was a Navy base. More importantly it's still not clear if he was born on the base, or in the hospital in Colon, Republic of Panama. It's true there was no hospital on the base at the time, but there was a dispensary and there was at least one doctor. In the 1930s, many babies were born at home with the doctor making a "housecall", which a Navy doctor surely would when the "incoming" was the son of a Submarine Officer and the Grandson of an Admiral. Plus the dispensary itself could have been the place of birht.

The 'birth certificates' posted on line are, according to Polarik, false.

[Red Steel]

I think there is something going on, my problem is that the CNN folks set Taitz and Keys up, they did not get to present their case on face off at all.

I don't think anyone would here seriously thought CNN would make the debate fair and balanced. It's CNN. However, the yelling and screaming in the debate that came from the other side made them look like the losers.

[reagandemocrat]

Funny you should ask-—Obama appointed his sister to the Fellowships Commission in violation of the federal anti-nepotism statute.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2274554/posts

see http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t05t08+208+0++()%20%20AN

5 USC Sec. 3110 01/08/2008 -EXPCITE- TITLE 5 - GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION AND EMPLOYEES PART III - EMPLOYEES Subpart B - Employment and Retention CHAPTER 31 - AUTHORITY FOR EMPLOYMENT SUBCHAPTER I - EMPLOYMENT AUTHORITIES -HEAD- Sec. 3110. Employment of relatives; restrictions -STATUTE

[Red Steel]

No, they are outnumbered.

I agree by far and they would be easily outfought if it ever got that crazy.

[Marty]

I agree regarding the newsworthiness of this. Story of the century, indeed. However, the recipients of said news must be adequately prepared or we may well have riots which will serve nobody well.

What needs to be shown is that, assuming this to be the case, Obama deliberately mislead the voters, lied and defrauded them and continued to do so as long as he could get away with it. He apparently believes himself to be above the law to which the rest of us are held.

I have to believe that there are plenty of people who supported Obama who would think very differently of him if they knew that he had lied to them all along, used them to promote himself and his agenda. Most people that I know do not like feeling used.

There will come a time when the truth will out and there will be some reporter who will want to be associated with the biggest story in a very long time. That reporter will need to lay the story out, providing time lines and proofs that will be irrefutable, easy to understand and point clearly to those who committed this fraud upon the voters.

[Spunky]

"The 'birth certificates' posted on line are, according to Polarik, false.",

Are you saying that both Obama's and McCains are false according to Polarik?

[Theodore R.]

Also ‘’National Enquirer’’ and Supermarket ‘’Star’’ may be more useful at times too.

[Kickass Conservative]

If he is proven to be a fraud, and the Court does nothing, there is only one course of action. Honduras anyone?

[Cacique]

I don’t think that either Obama nor his minions give a hoot for the constitution.

[Theodore R.]

Then that will prove that Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Christopher Buckley were also idiots.

[Theodore R.]

The truth will set you free, but the American people voted for either enslavement or against GWB.

[thecodont]

I have to believe that there are plenty of people who supported Obama who would think very differently of him if they knew that he had lied to them all along, used them to promote himself and his agenda. Most people that I know do not like feeling used.

I agree with you.

I think the average voter probably felt that BO had been sufficiently vetted by the respective Secretaries of State and the FEC to have been made into a legitimate candidate for them to vote for in November. The people who voted for McCain, by and large, probably felt the same. Both candidates (at the top of their respective tickets) had natural-born citizen (NBC) issues, but the American public, for the most part, does not understand what NBC means with regard to the eligibility of the POTUS and the VPOTUS.

The public will need to be educated about:
(1) What NBC really means;
(2) what NBC means in terms of BO's eligibility;
(3) what NBC means in terms of McCain's eligibility (even though he lost); and
(4) going forward, what NBC means for any other POTUS/VPOTUS candidate (e.g. Bobby Jindal).

I believe that the American voting public, at its center, means well. I also don't believe it's as stupid as some people might think. Poorly educated, easily distracted, overly emotional, yes. Fundamentally stupid? No.

I think many people would be angry (and rightly so) if this was presented as only a BO issue, just because BO happened to "win" through deceit. I think the issue is much bigger than that.

NBC has to be presented to the American voter in a Constitutional, historic, comprehensive, consistent manner for candidates of any and all parties.

If NBC is defined, that means (by necessity) that citizenship has to be defined. This leads to discussions of amnesty and the securing of borders. This leads to discussions of national sovereignty and national defense. Not all will like to hear these discussions.

[scott7278]

You are entirely correct...there are too many “bait and switch” techiques out there. They draw people in, and then make it seem like the issue is whether he is a U.S. citizen.

It is NOT about whether he is a citizen, but whether he’s natural born.

By the way, I’ve heard people twisting the Constitution by omitting the “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” clause. Then they begin to argue that the Constitution specifically mentions U.S. citizens, too.

It is truly sickening.

[TheBigJ]

Exactly. A usurper found in the White House will be the gravest threat this country ever faced. Business as usual is fantasyland. The status quo and political-correctness really have brainwashed people.

There will be no compromise. Conflict is inevitable; it’s history; it’s the flawed human condition. The cracks have just begun, look at the officer’s orders rescinded. This is the beginning of a Constitutional crisis. And if decided by the powers that be to keep a usurper in the White House??? Oh it will be flowing streams of lemonade and lollypops right? Gradual chaos on a national scale spreading globally. Follow the Constitution or bend over for the phony marxist tyrant.

[john mirse]

again, I don’t care what was written by a student for the purposes of the WND article.

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I'm sorry, but the University Hawaii newsletter has NOTHING to do with WND, the World Net Daily website.

So, again, the 2004 Hawaii newsletter in which the Obama article appeared has nothing whatsoever to do with the World Net Daily website.

Just wondering: Why would you come to the absurd conclusion that the University of Hawaii, a public institution, had anything to do with the World Net Daily website?

Also, I bet that in 2004, the writer of the Obama article in the University of Hawaii newsletter probably did NOT even know that privately-owned World Net Daily website existed.

[Redwood Bob]

“But the thing is, for years, Obama claimed he was born at Queen’s Medical Center.”

Please cite your source.

[El Gato]

Are you saying that both Obama's and McCains are false according to Polarik?

I am indeed, although when I used the plural, I was referring to McCain's certificates, since both abstract version (short form) and a long form versions have been posted. The long form is obviously a fake, the short one less obviously so, but is a fake as well.

One reporter claimed to have been shown a paper copy, and said it indicated John S. McCain IV, was born on the Coco Solo Naval base,that he checked the name of the Navy doctor who signed it, and that doctor had indeed been stationed at Coco Solo when McCain was born.

Now, since Natural Born Citizen is not defined in the Constitution, it's still debatable whether McCain would qualify or not, he certainly comes closer than Obummer. But clearly, if not born in the US, and thus not a citizen at birth, as McCain clearly is, Obama would definitely not be a Natural Born citizen. He wouldn't even be a citizen, unless later naturalized, which of course would also make him not "natural born". By the same token, even if born in the Royal Hawaiian Hotel, on the beach at Wakiki, Obummer might not be Natural Born, as opposed to native born, since only one of his parents was a US citizen, or even a permanent resident alien, since his purported father was here in a student status.

[353FMG]

>Time to give this up and work on defeating him in ‘12.<

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Why wait until 2012? By that time there may not be a country left. If at all possible we should get him out of the WH right now by proving his illigitimacy for the presidency.

[Redwood Bob]

“Did you get a chance to check out the 2004 newsletter from the University of Hawaii, where the reporter opened his article by writing that Obama was born in Queens Hospital?”

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The newspaper you cite isn’t the U.o.H. newspaper, it’s a high school newspaper. Maybe you could track down the author of the story. Since 4 1/2 years have gone by, there’s a decent chance he’s of drinking age. Try taking him out and feeding him lots of drinks. Maybe he’ll spill his guts when he’s good and drunk.