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Posted on 06/03/2009 1:58:44 PM PDT by markedmannerf
A sign that the Obama administration is willing to publicly challenge Egypt's commitment to parliamentary democracy: various Middle Eastern news sources report that the administration insisted that at least 10 members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the country's chief opposition party, be allowed to attend his speech in Cairo on Thursday. The brotherhood is a Salafist/ Islamist party with branches in many countries, and it does not have a reputation for liberalism and has supported violent campaigns against Israel (and Egypt's own government). It has deep roots in the region and traces its intellectual lineage to Sayyid Qutb, a top American-educated Islamic intellectual who was executed -- or martyred -- by the Egyptian government in 1966. The Brotherhood has direct links with Sunni groups like Hamas in the Palestinian territories. Its standing in Egypt has suffered as of late because of a crackdown by the Egyptian government and a growing frustration that it is too conservative (anti-women's rights, the whole gamut) for a modern Middle East. Still, it's the largest Sunni opposition party in the world, and it's clear that the Obama administration wants to engage the Sunnis -- even the less moderate Sunnis -- in his "Mutual Respect" tour. Hoping to tamp down criticism that by speaking in Egypt, Obama is giving legitimacy to Hosni Mubarak's quasi-dictatorship, the administration also invited leading human rights activists to the speech.
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It's the seed bed of al-Qaida. Whose side do you think this imposter is on. (Rhetorical question.)
” Someone up thread asked why 10 from the MB. And the only thing that came to mind was the Dragon and the Beast from Revelations. Crazy, crazy thoughts I know. We have been taught to read Revelations into our “Christian” world, but it really isn't about “our world.” Rev 12:, Dan 7:21, Rev 13:. It is about an interaction in another world.
The Dragon and the Beast and the expediency of 0bama’s agenda. Pravda called it ‘breakneck speed.’”
I've pinged a couple people to this post, several can help explain some of these things better, and can answer questions regarding this topic better than I...
But, please know you are NOT alone by a long shot... I don't find your thoughts to be crazy at all. Too many things are lining up exactly as it was written... I'm not sure about the number 10. I do recognize the number as referred to in Revelation (IIRC 10 kings/kingdoms). However, I think if we want to know the significance to Obama we shouldn't necessarily be only looking to our Bibles, really — one would really want to figure out exactly who these 10 people are, and what “factions” they represent (as the Muslim Brotherhood is much more than a “political party”, but indeed a worldwide jihadist movement — Kind of like the World Workers’ Party for the Communists). It could be a particular 10 -- leaders or representatives of the largest factions of the Muslim Brotherhood (i.e. one from Jordan, one from Syria, one from Hamas/Lebanon, etc...).
Another consideration would be how Islam views the number 10 -- if there is any spiritual or cultural significance of this number in their teachings -- even though Islam claims to be a "descendant" religion of an Abrahamic origin it's not like they follow any part of the Torah or the Bible, to my knowledge. This sounds like something interesting though to figure out... So I may look into it a bit later...
No, most likely Obama isn't the Anti-Christ (I don't think he is but “one of them”, not THE Anti-Christ, as in the man who will be indwelt by Satan), but he is certainly paving the way. An object lesson if you will for all Christians as to how easily the world can be deceived by a smooth talker (and one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth as well!).
There are ‘gaffes’ he made throughout the campaign that so many (Conservatives included) laughed and joked about — Gosh, how can he be so stupid! Or people defended these things as a mistake (57 states — not a slip-up, but rather a signal, IMHO — my “Muslim” religion which didn't even phase him as he said it and had to be corrected, but you can bet that clip ran short without the correction in the Muslim countries). The entire Muslim world KNOWS he is a Muslim, and it drives me crazy personally when people dismiss it as some sort of religious prejudice. We're in a WAR for gosh sake!
I too feel like smacking some knuckles frankly — forget the desks! LOL Ultimately though, there is not much we can do at this point — except “get right with God” and pray that somehow the US survives this assault from within...
I have to admit I'm not optimistic at this point at all. Obama is doing everything he can to divide this country and crush it from within, and whether his loyalties are to the Communists, or Islam if we look to the world as a whole I see them in very close quarters right now. "The enemy or my enemy is my friend" sort of thing. I truly believe the Muslims and Communists are working TOGETHER in several different ways to bring us to our knees, and I think there are people in both groups that think they can eventually overtake the other group once we're out of the way...
All, JMHO, but as I said, when you referred to the Eschatology stuff, you are far from the only one, and I've seen more and more people starting to wake up. I only hope there are enough awake before it's too late (if it's not already). Never forget there are cells of terorists operating here in the US already. That's another reason why I think we need to pay close attention to what he is saying (and sometimes not saying as well -- like his refusal to address the shooting by a self-proclaimed Muslim jihadist or two of America's finest. He was read on-the-spot to defend Tiller -- that fits his agenda. However, if he spoke about the murder of one of our soldiers at the recruiting station, and the injuries of the other that would NOT go with his agenda.)
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No.
But why should they do an "Anwar Sadat" on him? He's playing right along and into their hands. He's either an utter fool or a traitor. Which one, it doesn't really matter at this point. The results are the same.
My bet would be MI6 (Brit equivalent of MIA). Surely the Queen received information required for all British subjects born in Kenya during their rule there wouldn’t they?
Especially the supposed son of someone who used to make a lot of noise over there? (IIRC, Barack Sr. was part of an activist type group whose goal was to get Kenya out of the UK’s hands).
I’d say there were obviously adoption records in Indonesia, and they probably stated the names of the children and their place of birth in the adoption papers... However, I do NOT think they could be found now. Same with an Indonesian passport he may likely have had — it’s not like he couldn’t travel to Pakistan with his friend on his US Passport, but if he was able, traveling on an Indonesian one would be much simpler...
All just my thoughts on this...
The muslim brotherhood is one of the most dangerous islamic groups on the planet.
Its motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope”
Some of the world’s most dangerous terrorists have been Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood members, including Osama bin Laden’s top deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the architect of 9/11, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. More prominently still, Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood preacher, was a mentor to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
Ali Sadreddine Bayanouni, the leader of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, has repeatedly disavowed violence while concurrently pledging his support for the terrorism of Hamas and Hezbollah. Muhammad Mahdi Othman Akef, a prominent leader of the Brotherhood, has expressed his support for suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq “in order to expel the Zionists and the Americans.” He has also denounced the United States as a “Satan,” saying: “I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission.” Many other leaders of the Brotherhood have likewise justified terrorism against Israel and the United States, with many defending the September 11 terrorist attacks against America. Jews are another common object of the Brotherhood’s hatred. Of the Jewish people, Sheik Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and twice asked to become its official director, has written: “There is no dialogue between them and us other than in one language — the language of the sword and force.” He also issued a fatwa in 2004 making it a religious obligation of Muslims to abduct and kill U.S. citizens in Iraq.
Muslim activists affiliated with the Brotherhood have founded the Muslim Students’ Association, the North American Islamic Trust, the Islamic Society of North America, the American Muslim Council, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought.
In May 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood issued to its ideological allies an explanatory memorandum on “the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” Explaining that the Brotherhood’s mission was to establish “an effective and ... stable Islamic Movement” on the continent, this document outlined a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” for achieving that objective. It stated that Muslims “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.” The Brotherhood listed some 29 likeminded “organizations of our friends” seeking to realize the same goal; among these were the Islamic Society of North America, Muslim Youth of North America, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Muslim Students Association, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the Islamic Association for Palestine, the United Association for Studies and Research, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought.
Good posting devolve
Indeed, what else would one expect of a “Barack Hussein Obama”?
The other thing is the people in Egypt absolutely HATE the USA (not that other Muslim countries, but they are relatively close allies, supposedly).
The more private the better. No secret service. No US military. No bodyguards. In the border region of Pakistan.
See how it goes.
Actually Barack is probably the best thing that has happened to the Muslim world — being able to take down America from within, and hasten their goal of a worldwide Caliphate? It’s not as if it would advance the agenda or the jihadists to take him down either — here is a man who has basically promised Jerusalem to Palestine according to several Saudi sources. Of course, there could be some idiot out there who believes Obama’s story of conversion to Christianity and view him as an apostate (worse than a Christian or a Jew, or any other non-Muslim). Which by the way is another point in the column of being a Muslim for Obama — he literally proclaimed he was a Christian meaning he would be an apostate. That there is not one Fatwa against him for this tells me that most of the Islamic world (even some of the most radical imams) believe he must be practicing taqiyya.
As for Arafat being assassinated by his own troops — that’s the first time I’ve heard that allegation myself. I seem to remember him going to France for medical treatment(s) before it was reported he was in a coma and died. [Now, in the book I’m reading by Joel C. Rosenberg, that is what happened to Arafat in the beginning of the book — I hope you’re not confusing the two!]
Not to mention kicking Him out of almost every public venue in the nation and even a few private ones including churches. If a person can not see what has happened to this nation morality wise and politically since Madalyn Murray O'Hare they have to be in a Coma or spiritually blind. But now even she indeed knows There is GOD who judges man and nations accordingly.
No problem, I will look it up tomorrow and let you know.
Thanks, Liberty. Good post. M
LOL - Ignore the last part of my post — I was replying from my pings page, and didn’t see your correction. :)
You know what’s very interesting about you bringing that up though. It’s reported that during the assassination the lead man yelled “Death to Pharoh”.
In Cairo right now one shopkeeper is selling plaques labeling Obama as the new Tutankhamun.
Egypt is a major recipient of US aid. I'm sure Mburak was reminded of that, ever so subtley of course, by the highly skilled diplomatic corps headed by what's-her-name.
Did the muslim brotherhood already make a statement about Obama visit? If so do you have a link? Thank you.
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