Posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency. Here is a list:
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue, Obama refuses to release it.
2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.
3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted. His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian. He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?
4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.
5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.
Obama supporters have unrealistically simplified this issue down to the COLB. There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.
I think that those who are bringing this issue to the attention of the courts need to step back and address the big picture first and then fill in the details.
Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?
When he told the Illinois Bar he had been known by no other names, was that perjury?
When he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama, without a legal name change, was that fraudulent?
Last, but not least, I cannot post a copy of my short form birth certificate on the internet and use that to get a passport. I have to present a long form certified copy.
And I don’t have my finger on the button.
“Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?”
That he is not 35 years of age.
Might as well put anything and everything on your list, which is apparently the approach thus far.
He never told them that. Check your facts.
When he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama, without a legal name change, was that fraudulent?
No, because there's no proof he ever legally changed his name to Barry Soetoro in the first place.
Last, but not least, I cannot post a copy of my short form birth certificate on the internet and use that to get a passport.
No, but you could use a hard copy of it, so long as it has a raised seal, the registrar's signature, and was filed within 1 year of your birth. I just did that a few weeks ago. It works.
What is it with you snarky Obots that you can't have a conversation without well, being snarky? Does that make you feel better or something? Al Franken behaves the same way. Snarky.
Anyhoo...I can read just fine with my +200 readers on - thank you very much.
Obama's COLB has all of these things.
Obama's COLB is not a birth certifiCATE.
Only some are not acceptable.
Yes only some are not acceptable. Should we not know if the POTUS' is acceptable?
By the way, do you recall the "Passport Breach" incident during the Presidential campaign?
You do know that the CEO of the contractors who breached Obama's file three times, is now Obama's Counter Terror Advisor - right?
Precisely, it does not fill the requirement to be a birth certifiCATE.
Ah, so this approach of denigrating the arguments as merely fantasy fishing expeditions IS the latest Axelrod talking point! Glad we got that clarified so early this evening.
All it takes is proving it once in court, what is he so afraid of?
What is it in his original birth certificate that is so embarrassing he can not show it?
The state department disagrees. They are very clear in what they regard to be a birth certificate:
"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth."
Obama's has all those things.
You are grasping at straws.
Oooooh! The conspiracy deepens!
Not true. A few years ago I called off to the county clerk's office where I was born in Illinois and got them to send me a new copy of my birth certificate, which looked pretty much like the Obama document. I had no trouble at all using it to get a passport.
My are some people naive. You do realize that the birth certificate claims account for only about half the lawsuits. If he allows any of them to go to trial, he admits the plaintiff's have standing, which means he'll then be tied up in endless litigation as suit after suit will continue to be brought.
That's why the correct response to a frivolous lawsuit is a motion to dimsmiss on basis of standing. Doing anything else is an invitation to spending a lifetime in court.
what is he so afraid of?
Nothing. He just doesn't want the hassle of having to defend against twenty different simultaneous lawsuits at once. I can't say I blame him.
Obama's has all those things.
Really? Can you know if a seal is raised with a copy? I can't.Can you know if a signature, seal or even the document itself is real if the original is never produced?
I'm not sure I believe 0bama was not born an American, but I do know the original has NEVER been presented in public.
What's the big deal about not producing the original? I don't get it.
It, certainly, is relevant if he is, presently, a dual citizen and did not reveal that fact when running for President.
Don’t you find it the least bit odd that Barry forgot to mention his trip to Pakistan in both of his autobiographies?
The first time Barry deemed to mention his trip to Pakistan was AFTER the passport breach. Who breached his passport - 3 times?
Can you explain why it was necessary for him and his people to access State Department records of Obama’s as well as the records of the other candidates, or what Biden found out when his senate commitee investigated the break in to those records?
Let’s see McCain runs a limp wristed campaign and loses.
Hillary becomes Secretary of state
Biden become Vice president,
And the guy whose company did the break in ends up in Obama circle of trusted advisers...
And curiosity wants to crush any curiosity on the issue of what might have happened or why by feinting conspiracy theories....
It's legally impossible for him to be an Indonesian citizen. US law did not allow minors to renounce their citizenship or lose it on account of the actions of their parents. Indonesia did not allow anyone to become an Indonesian citizen unless they renounced or lost their prior citizenship.
Yes. When the state produces a certified copy, they stamp it with their raised seal and the registrar's signature.
I'm not sure I believe 0bama was not born an American, but I do know the original has NEVER been presented in public.
Photographs of the document with the raised seal and signature have been made public. What else would you have him do?
Surely you don't expect him to mail a certified copy to every US household.
Obviously the hassles of being president are above his paid grade, perhaps he should step down, since you are so worried about the hassles of being president?
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