Posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency. Here is a list:
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue, Obama refuses to release it.
2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.
3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted. His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian. He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?
4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.
5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.
Obama supporters have unrealistically simplified this issue down to the COLB. There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.
I think that those who are bringing this issue to the attention of the courts need to step back and address the big picture first and then fill in the details.
Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?
Obama's COLB has all of these things. As to the final sentence:
"Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
Notice it does not say all short forms are not acceptable. Only some are not acceptable.
Why is that? Well, some short forms don't have a raised state seal, registrar's signature, or the filing date. Obama's, however, has all of these things. So what can we conclude, class?
No. He simply doesn't want to be bothered with it.
Make whatever excuses you want. Dismissal is dismissal. Not a single one of these frivolous cases will ever see the interior of a courtroom. Every appeal will be denied. Mark may words.
Precisely which qualification does it not fulfill? The state department is very clear that it only needs three things:
1) Raised or multicolored state seal
2) Registrar's signature
3) Date filed less than one year of birth
Which doesn't it fulfill?
Do you really think he wants to be bothered with multiple trials in mutliple cases? If he wins one, then someone else will come up with another. He'll be tied up in litigation for years. The rational strategy is to get the cases dismissed, and it's been working quite well.
for millions of dollars in damagesand he can sue for defamation anyone that has alleged he is not
LOL. Have you any idea how hard it is to win a defamation suit against an individual? Do you have any idea how much harder it is to collect, even if you did win? It's not like any of the yahoos suing him have particualrly deep pockets.
For crying out loud, Berg and Orly have been reduced to begging for money so they can continue their cases. You think you're going to get someone like that to pay millions in damages?
Whatever you're smoking must be good!
I wouldn't count showing a document briefly only to a partisan as good enough.
Also, from those photographs, the document looked pretty crisp for something that was supposed to be several years old. I'm just saying, from the obliquely angled photos that I saw.
-PJ
What would it mean if we discovered he was a werewolf? If you're going to concoct fantasy scenarios with no evidence to support them, why not go for broke?
There's no reason to believe he used an Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan, since the "travel ban" story has been utterly debunked as birther fantasy, and there's no reason to believe that he got a foreign student tuition break at Occidental for the simple reason that Occidental doesn't offer foreign students a tuition break. Go look at their website yourself and see. And what student aid is available for foreign students? What programs? Obama would be a lot more likely to get aid as a black American student than as an Indonesian foreign student.
As a member in good standing of We The People, I have a legal right to expect the man applying for president to prove he is Constitutionally eligible. If I don't, then you and your president now own a socialist oligarchy run by your party 'patriots'.
If you're going to assume godhood, why not fill in the blanks for us, obamanoid apologist?
Incidentally, obamanoid, is this the level of your resoning capabilities, or is this the latest Axelrod talking point?... “There’s no reason to believe he used an Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan, since the “travel ban” story has been utterly debunked as birther fantasy.” Can you show us what he used to travel into martial law Pakistan in 1981? ... I didn’t think so. All hat and no cattle.
And you missed the point of the questions ... too stupid to grasp them or just playing Alenskyesque games? ... What such things would mean is he doesn’t show nor has he shown allegiance to this nation exclusively. But then obamanoids don’t care about that little technicality, they want to argue geography instead of allegiance since their allegiance is to their Marxist messiah not to this Republic.
You need to get some new material. Your stuff's getting old.
why is the fraudulent affirmative action poseur-in-chief hiding ALL of the pertinent documentation for his life
Couple of reasons, I'd guess. First, you saying that it's pertinent doesn't make it so. You're on a fishing trip. Find the constitutional requirement for a president to release his college transcripts. Second, "never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake." This is only making Obama's opponents look like lunatics. Doesn't it tell you anything that no major conservative politician or pundit is touching this with a ten-foot pole? Or does your paranoid delusion include all of them in the conspiracy, too? Where is this causing schism? Among the center and the left or among the right? Why would Obama want to stop that? You're useful to him.
As a member in good standing of We The People, I have a legal right to expect the man applying for president to prove he is Constitutionally eligible.
Then file your own lawsuit and see how far that claim of a legal right gets you in showing standing. So far the record isn't good. Maybe you'll have more luck. You can even put up a Paypal link for people to donate money to your cause like the others have.
Can you show why he would have had to use anything other than a US passport? This whole story started with someone claiming that he couldn't have travelled to Pakistan in 1981 on a US passport because there was a travel ban. That's been proven to be utter fiction. So what basis is there to believe that he used an Indonesian passport other than your own fantasy?
You are aware, aren't you, that in the same year, Reagan give millions in economic and military aid to Pakistan, right?
Even with Obama’s destruction of 47% of my welath in the past months, I can still afford to run a lawsuit if I choose. And your argument from the excluded middle is just typical obamnoid apologetics nonsense like Axelrod’s claim that maybe Ayers and Obama met because their kids attend the same schools. You have a pleasant evening, bubba
Then why don’t you come up with some evidence for these things instead of concocting fantasy scenarios and then demanding that he prove they’re wrong?
Still avoiding the point that such use of an Indonesian passport would indicate ‘divided loyalties’ ... but that is of no consequence to your ilk. This lying klown in the Oval Office has the responsibility to prove he is eligible, not my responsibility to prove he isn’t. But that’s typical ‘turn the world on its head’ reasoning of you obamanoid agitprops.
Then go for it. If you can show actual damages in order to get standing, you might be able to replenish your wealth. What are you waiting for? Put your money where your mouth is. Or do you not have enough faith in your arguments to pursue them with your own money?
If you can demonstrate that he used an Indonesian passport, you might have a case for "divided loyalties" but since there was no requirement that he use anything other than a US passport and obtain a 30 day tourist visa at the airport upon arrival, this is just one more fantasy scenario that you've dreamed up and then demanded he disprove.
And I responded that you are incorrect. A CertificaTION is a computer generated abstract short form.
The DOS states:
Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Is this the hill you wish to stand on for this fight?
I'm not doing any hill standing, just correcting your error in reporting.
Not from what I read. If you can find where they said it, please let me know.
Didn't they also suggest that they were invited to see the document?
Nope. They just said they went to Chicago to inspect it. They don't say they were invited.
Weren't they the only ones invited to see the document?
I've seen no evidence to suggest they were.
I know of no other news organization that asked to see it and was denied. However, if you know of one, please let me know.
I wouldn't count showing a document briefly only to a partisan as good enough.
Factcheck is not a partisan group.
Yes, I know, they are funded by the Annenberg Foundation. But before you go off claiming Annenberg is some lefty group, do me a favor and look up who their president is. Then go look at the list of McCain donors.
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