Posted on 02/11/2009 10:01:38 AM PST by TCH
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO ALL AMERICANS - THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
Good information to pass on to the sleeping public. It is preaching to the choir for most of you. Redistribute to the sleepers.
9+ States have now declared sovereignty... Add Washington to the list.
In case you didnt hear about it on the mainstream media (which you havent because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:
Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009
New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm
Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm
Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004
Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM
Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power
California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered
Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm
Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho,Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois
It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about continuity of government and the role of servicemen.
...if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state ... individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected;...
Full text: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm
The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified. United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).
That sux rox.
I took us almost a decade to get to Texas and I’m thrilled with the move. There are some small local issues which make me want to move out of city limits; but, overall, we’re very happy. (Lampasas County is really awesome.)
Property taxes are higher than I’m used to, but no income tax.
I heard that New Hamp’s bill died in committee yesterday.
I respectfully disagree. My problem lies in the ambiguity with regards to the judiciary and the lack of clear, concise language needed so that everyone can understand the intent of any and all passages.
I know, people, especially lawyers, will always try to interpret things to help their client, and that is what they are paid for. I have no problem with that, as it pertains to how a civil or criminal case should be looked at; it's the re-interpretation of long-standing . . oh . . stare decisis rulings that bother me.
Maybe what I mean to say is we need to make sure there is no mis-understanding of how we mean to interpret the Constitution, and put some teeth into it by way of easier means to remove a judge from the bench and prosecute him for judicial mis-conduct for attempting to re-interpret the Constitution (see the 9th Circus, or the CSC, concerning Prop 8 for a case-study).
With all due respect: They haven’t declaired “Sovereignty” Yet..these are merely “resolutions” stating that States retain power granted in the US Constitution (9th, 10th mostly). They may lead to laws with real “teeth” behind them but are unbinding. Also NONE have passed by a state and been signed by a Gov yet, (Except OK in the 1990’s).
PLEASE KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!
Sniff . . . ! Would love to get back to my beloved homeland (Katy), but it's not same place I left it 6 years ago (hence the sayng "You can never go home again.").
Maybe once things are taken care of here in Florida, we can return, especially if things do go as badly as we see them.
heh yeah...I did go to his website and send him an email asking about this stuff. we shall see.
I agree........sooner the better....."
If Texas secedes others will follow. Whether those States would then form a separate republic or union is open to speculation. I suspect that Texas would go it alone as an independent republic, again.
Regarding a new constitution: we have one that works beautifully when followed. The ideas behind a secession movement should be the nullification of the Constitution by the federal government with the intent to return to that framework.
Exactly!
Take a look at the abomination produced for the EU and compare.
Our Constitution is more than adequate to the task, if enforced and truly defended by those who solemnly swear to do so.
“The vast majority of federal land takings must be returned to the States. The exceptions are limited areas of truly unique character the crown jewels of the federal park system...”
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Now, don’t be wishy-washy.
You either believe in the constitution, or you don’t.
You either believe in state sovereignty, or you don’t.
Show me in the constitution where establishing national parks is federally authorized.
Why do you think the feds can do this better than the states?
“I see no need for a new Constitution.”
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There are quite a few “flaws” with the constitution.
One of my favorites being this:
Although one of the main greivances itemized in the Declaration of Independence
was “taxation without representation, that issue was not addressed in the constitution.
If it had been, I think a strong case could be made against any “deficit” spending.
Which is in effect, the passing along of taxes to some unnamed future citizen.
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Another flaw in the Constitution is that language has changed to the point where it is possible to construe the Second Amendment as other than what the Founders intended.
Yet another is that there is no national service requirement for public office, something that *should* be in there.
I continue to add names to the ping list as I run across others I find participating on similar threads. If you want off the list just say so.
Good points.
How about an amendment stating:
BTW, this is NOT a “living” Constitution, you jacka$$es.
If it meant whatever a judge said it did, it would not be worth the paper it is written on.
Of course, we’d have to “dress up” the language...
I concur.
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.” Thomas Jefferson
I’m waiting for one to declare independance, that’s where I’ll be headed.
The Georgia bill listed is 13/14 years old, and was only read a few times in committee. We need actual passage of these bills. Has even 1 passed yet?
BTW, this is NOT a living Constitution, you jacka$$es. If it meant whatever a judge said it did, it would not be worth the paper it is written on.
Of course, wed have to dress up the language...
LOL! Nah, need to dress it up. I think we need to make sure a message is sent, and that is "don't jack with OUR Constitution"! So you're right, appropriate words need to be spoken so the coockoo clocks on the bench understand that they are not God, and we will never view them as such, and if they get out of line they will not like the consequences!
I'm putting together a list of things I would like to see clarified in the Constitution (long one, sheesh!). I'll post it up for perusal soon.
Please ping me when it’s posted.
While I certainly couldn’t offer much insight, I would love to see it and the ongoing discussion sure to follow.
I’ve learned quite a bit following the 10th Amendment threads.
There are some amazing minds around here!
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