Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.
First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.
Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.
No reason to flame you. I hope you are wrong on all points.
Sad that you find the need to post a baseless POS like this.
Let’s hope the rule of law is a valid hope to hold.
But with 41 we can slow him down and I’m sure that upsets you.
YES.......show the birth certificate so the people can decide. Let it be examined. The same with the Selective Service document. What has been stated above but do the people just give up. Remember, this country went up against the best military in the world with squirel guns and won and established our own country. Our Constitution is either real or not. Either you stand up or sit down and let others run your life.
That’s the one I’m hoping four. Barry would spend the next four years with half the country rightfully calling him an illegitimate president. Every move he made would be diminished and scorned as illegal. Republicans could figuratively spit in his face and only brain dead libs would whine about it.
Yeah, I think you are right, I just think you underestimate the backlash.
That's ju-jitsu.
If you accuse me of murder, you have to prove it before I can be sent to prison. That's true.
If I want to borrow $10M from my bank, using my chain of hotels as collateral, I do have to prove that I own a chain of hotels. The burden is not on the bank to prove that I don't. That would be asking the bank to prove a negative, which cannot be done.
I’m not saying he is a citizen, I’m just saying it will never come to pass for the three options I listed above. Whether we are right or not, it doesn’t matter, the law is not on our side, and enough time has passed that you can bet there is a certificate there waiting now to make fools of everyone ... After this, what kind of charge could anyone level against him in the next 8 years? Obama holds all the cards on this one.
Great point!!!
Here is a fifth: Tha Dalai Bama has a valid birth certificate but his name is Davis.
The Supremes have stated they will review this on the 5th. IMO, they are not going to give Obama a pass on his birth status.
There are times when our nation comes off as a banana republic, and this is one of them. Why are federal candidates not required to perform some right of registration, eliminating the unqualified individuals at the beginning of the process? At the very least, the states who run these elections should have federal candidates prove they are qualified to be on the ballot.
I would be just FINE IF this is the case, and would wonder why all this high drama Bama put so many through keeping that birth certificate hidden. None of this would be going on had he made it part of his campaign. Especially after all the ragging sense of the Senate done over lord McCain's birth certificate.
Any interpretation of natural born citizenship specifically pertaining to the individual known as Barack Hussein Obama, will be bound by the laws in effect at his birth. Changing the law after the fact in an attempt to alter that is unconstitutional. It would also make him a citizen by statute, which is not a natural born citizen, so any effort would be legally pointless.
And there is a vault copy in the governor's office that can be retrieved under subpoena.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
Wrong, you must prove your job qualifications. This is not a criminal matter, this is a Constitutional matter.
If he pulls out a valid BC that survives comparison with the governor's copy, then my worries about a coup are mostly put to rest. He just becomes another stinking democrat.
I don’t think the founders ever envisioned that a man so bereft of honor would make it to the Presidency.
Ex post facto is generally accepted to mean making something illegal which was legal when it was done. Congress can, and often doesn pass laws that take place retroactively. A prime example would be the recent law which protected the telecom companies from prosecution for providing call information to Homeland Security.
I honestly hope there is. Really. I don't/didn't want an Obama Presidency but that's what The People wanted apparently, for better or for worse. ACORN issues a different story.
If he can produce it, and it's legitimate of course there is the question of why he didn't bother forking over the $10 to get it instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend something that for a normal person would be a null issue. Judgment issues that will come back to haunt him later, and I hope SCOTUS dresses him down for that poor judgment call.
Yes, Of course we won’t need to see any proof of anything when it comes to the Annointed One. We should all believe in the power of CHANGE... The Messiah walks above the law, why should he care about proof.
Of course we common folks are held to a much higher standard then his holiness. i.e., try to get a drivers license without showing your BC next time and just say well the President does it
If the guys/gals at the Federalist Blog http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html are correct, it doesn’t matter whether he was born in the U.S.A or not. Kenyan citizenship transferred to him from his Kenyan father at birth. Their reading of the situation is that this would make him ineligible to be considered a “natural born citizen” under the constitution.
He would, at that point, have been declared ineligible by the document posted on his campaign website. Would that not be ironic?
The big issue here is whether the SC has any respect for the Constitution. We know that four justices do. As for the others, well, we can always hope that one will have some kind of epiphany.
When I had to fill out the I9 requirements for employment, I didn’t have the luxury of saying
“you have to prove me ineligible or just accept my word.”
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