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Biden/Obama – Charity & Savings – Failing Grade
Townhall ^ | September 12, 2008 | Hank Adler

Posted on 09/25/2008 12:55:00 PM PDT by Caleb1411

If it were not so important, we should be able to laugh at the tax returns and U.S. Senate disclosure forms of Senators Obama and Biden.

In 2004, obviously neither Senator Biden nor Senator Obama realized that their tax returns would be made available to the public. And neither of them “walked their talk”.

In 2004, the Bidens reported that they had $234,271 in adjusted gross income and made contributions of $380. Biden spokesman David Wade said the deductions on the tax forms ``are not the sum of their annual contributions to charity.'' The Bidens ``contribute to their church, and they also contribute to their favorite causes.'' Sure, maybe he tossed a quarter into the Salvation Army kettle. No one forgets to list their charitable contributions in their annual tax return. In 2004, the Obamas reported $207,647 in adjusted gross income and contributed $2500 to charity, an inch over 1% of their income.

Obama’s 2004 tax returns report no (none, zero, zip) interest or dividend income. This is confirmed in his 2004 U.S. Senate disclosures which report not a single family bank or checking account with a balance of $1000. One might conclude he and his wife took their pay checks down to the local gas station and cashed them every Friday afternoon. Pretty unusual for folks earning over $200,000 per year. Biden’s 2004 tax returns reported the grand sum of $129 in interest income and not a dollar of dividend income. These are families that were earning over $200,000 per year for years and years and years. (The Obamas had adjusted gross income of over $240,000 and the Bidens had adjusted gross income of over $220,000 every year, 2001, 2002 and 2003.)

So what do we have in terms of these Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees? First, we have people who are not believers in charitable giving while outside the public spotlight. Second, we have people who believe that people who earn over $250,000 a year are rich, but apparently cannot save so much as a nickel while making just under $250,000 a year. Finally, we have two men who wish to be the leaders of the largest economy in the world, who between them simply do not invest in that economy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; biden; bo; charitablegiving; democrat; democrats; elections; littlejoe; nobama08; obama; obamabiden; obamatruthfile
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1 posted on 09/25/2008 12:55:04 PM PDT by Caleb1411
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In 2004, the Bidens reported that they had $234,271 in adjusted gross income and made contributions of $380.

In the same year, Kinsman Redeemer brought home $380 and paid $234,271 in TAXES!

2 posted on 09/25/2008 12:59:27 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Caleb1411

These two are HAPPY to give away other folks money!


3 posted on 09/25/2008 1:00:52 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Caleb1411

Q: How does Obama manage to not generate a single penny of interest or dividend income?

A: Cash in unmarked envelopes.


4 posted on 09/25/2008 1:02:29 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: Caleb1411
No one forgets to list their charitable contributions in their annual tax return.

I could buy either listing everything or not listing anything at all. If you want the deduction, then you want to maximize it by listing everything. If someone is giving altruistically and feels that claiming a deduction somehow cheapens that motivation, then you would list no deductions.

5 posted on 09/25/2008 1:04:01 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: Caleb1411

Obama and Biden - Bullsh*t Christians.


6 posted on 09/25/2008 1:04:44 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Caleb1411

McCain’s numbers are something like 22% or more. Has Palin released her numbers yet?


7 posted on 09/25/2008 1:09:26 PM PDT by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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Hey, give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they wanted to give more, but they just can't handle economics very well.
8 posted on 09/25/2008 1:11:21 PM PDT by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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It's not what you give to the poor that matters, it is what you do for them. What better way is there than to gain control of millions of other people's pockets through the Presidency and donate their money to the poor of your choice?

Patriots Clinton and Gore followed this route, too. Like BHO and Biden, they were rather parsimonious in their direct contributions before they achieved fame. But, look how generous Clinton was in pushing the Community Reinvestment Act and appointing people like Johnson, Raines, and Gorelick to Fannie Mae to work on the public's behalf.

9 posted on 09/25/2008 1:12:49 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: txzman

If you want to see a “Christian” leftist’s head explode,

tell them that their support for socialism in no way fulfills their God given requirement to help the needy.

Charity must come from the fruits of your own work, and must be cheerfully and obediently given to the needy, not to a non-religious political activist organization.


10 posted on 09/25/2008 1:15:35 PM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Liberals are all the same. For them charity begins with the government.


11 posted on 09/25/2008 1:17:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Anectdote from a freeper: Neighbor was washing his SUV (with 0bama sticker on it) in his driveway. When asked about his “carbon footprint”, the neighbor replied that

“it’s not what we do individually, it’s what we do politically”


12 posted on 09/25/2008 1:17:38 PM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: MrB

Re your post 12: A down home example of what I was getting at.


13 posted on 09/25/2008 1:19:08 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: "OBAMA GRANT BEING PROBED $100,000 DEAL/State to charity: What happened to garden money, other cash?" by Chris Fusco and Dave McKinney (September 25, 2008)

PAJAMAS MEDIA.com - blog: "THE FRENCH CONNECTION TO THE PALIN SMEARS" by John Rosenthal (September 25, 2008)

IBD EDITORIALS: "NO COAL FOR YOU!" by Investor's Business Daily (SNIPPET: "AMERICA'S ENERGY: Joe Biden wants to develop clean coal technology -- for the Chinese. As for the U.S., he wants the Saudi Arabia of coal to be the Bangladesh of energy.") (September 24, 2008, 4:20 pm PT)
NATIONAL REVIEW.com: "FOUNDING BROTHERS What's behind Obama's early rise?" by Stanley Kurtz (September 24, 2008, 6:30 am)

CNS NEWS.com: Washington - "OBAMA's RELIGIOUS ADVISER A NO-SHOW AT FAITH FORUM" by Penny Starr (September 24, 2008)

LIFE NEWS.com: "BARACK OBAMA's 'FREEDOM OF CHOICE ACT' WOULD MEAN 125K MORE ABORTIONS" by Matt Bowman (September 24, 2008)

HOT AIR.com - blog: "VIDEO: Michelle on astroturfing and the alleged Obama sockpuppet ad" (September 24, 2008)

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THE JAWA REPORT - blog: "WINNER & ASSOCIATES DENIES AXELROD TIES" (September 24, 2008)



[Post no. 16] - ARCHIVES - Topic: BIDEN & OBAMA (aka B & O) (September 23, 2008 -- Click Here.)

14 posted on 09/25/2008 1:32:48 PM PDT by Cindy
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Obama’s 2004 tax returns report no (none, zero, zip) interest or dividend income.

Huh? How does he manage thaat? I am truly puzzled . . .

15 posted on 09/25/2008 1:33:22 PM PDT by maryz
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You can’t become a millionare on a Senators salary. Where did these to get all the millions they have? Obama is supposedly worth about $5 million. Biden lives in a $2 million dollar house. A Senators salary is about $160,000.


16 posted on 09/25/2008 1:39:00 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Caleb1411

Credit to the Michael Medved show for the following (the guest was one of his rabbi friends):

Charity is a moral transaction. The giver gives out of the compassion in his heart for his fellow man. He benefits by the knowledge that he has helped someone and through the gratitude of the man he helped. The receiver of the charity appreciates his benefactor and reaps the moral rewards of a grateful heart.

Government programs change this transaction by removing the morality. The giver is no longer acting out of compassion but compulsion at the point of a gun. Rather than lightening his heart, his spirit is heavy and resentful. The receiver is no longer receiving the love of his fellow man but a payment from government to which he doesn’t feel grateful but entitled.

This is paraphrased from my memory... but sounds about right.


17 posted on 09/25/2008 2:28:43 PM PDT by pgyanke (Public "servants" have decided it's their job to use the public's money to fight the public)
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That’s exactly right from a Christian point of view also. Government charity typically morally hurts all people involved. It also causes people to think that they don’t have any responsibility to give individually. The liberal approach to charity is anti-Christian.


18 posted on 09/25/2008 2:43:23 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Caleb1411

Check out the Pew Report on Political Typology. The dividend income statistic jumped out at me because this is a BIG difference between the liberals and “enterprisers” in their study.


19 posted on 09/25/2008 2:49:23 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Caleb1411
HYPOCRITES! They only like to give OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY TO THE POOR!!

They MUST have OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNTS.....WHO doesn't have SOME INTEREST MONEY??

20 posted on 09/25/2008 3:59:46 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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