Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7
LAKE FOREST, Calif. When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.
He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.
But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.
Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.
"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."
Warren personally invited the two candidates "friends of mine" via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.
It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
Sure does. That's because, unlike the equivocating Obama-false-messiah, he knows WHAT he believes and WHY he believes it - let the chips fall where they may.
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A troll ?????
Sounds like you had a great time :)
You may also want to post the picture of this other loser as a supplement to the ass-kicking. :)
No! She was wearing a long brown prairie-style skirt and those horrible red Croc. The new t-shirt was like an aqua color. I saw her walking back to her seat and she had the Obama shirt wadded up in a ball, like she was trying to hide it.
I left out the worst part, she had NO BRA! My friend and I watched her walk by and I said so only we could hear, "Undergarments in '08!" We started cracking up like idiots. It was a great time. :-D
You know them by their fruit. If they do not have the fruit...they are not who they say they are.
Instead of criticizing our brothers and sisters we are instructed to pray for them not sit around posting pure garbage. I've had them post back to me some hate-filled junk when I've tried to point out the error of their way.
Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
*Thomas is by far the most articulate...*
Laura Ingraham had a great interview with Justice Thomas
some time back re his book. A joy to listen to.
BTW enjoyed your comments re Keyes. Hard to believe people claiming to be adults could support this rigid,
off the wall, person who lacks reality.
I guess that could be said about all the third party water carriers for Obama
Your prayer was answered!
There's no place that I'd rather be
than right here,
With my redneck, white socks,
and Blue Ribbon beer!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb7g34aqUg0
Nope.
Sounds like a straight-up FReeper to me.
What I really meant was 'meal-ticket candidate who is scams dupes into writing checks and paying speaker fees.'
Oh course you did. Which is of course a malicious lie against a good man.
Typical of the new McCain Whig Party.
Just what America needed, a second Democrat Party.
/s
That’s hilarious.
I was a regional campaign manager for Buchanan in 96. Keyes ran then. He treated his staff like garbage (their words to my ears). He also took salaries from his donations. This is unheard of among serious candidates because it translates campaign contributions into personal financial gain.
Further, anyone who runs as an independent under our current political system is either an idiot or a shyster and anyone who votes for one is a stone-cold retard.
Voting isn't a 'political statement', it's a war, and you cowards are shooting yourselves in the foot to escape your tour of duty.
More lies. Whoopety-doo, nothing new.
So, you’ve gone from Buchanan to McCain. Is that a move up or a move down?
“-The three wisest people they would consult as president” ~ TornadoAlley3
Yes. bttt One of the questions Rick Warren asked the candidates was:
[Who are] The three wisest people they would consult as president?
Obama named two, his wife and grandmother. He also said he would consult bipartisan sources such as former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn and Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. http://www.RickWarrenNews.com./
Notice below who Obamamessiah named in 2004 - he didn’t name ANY of those people above - he named the race-bating, America-damning hate-mongers in his church as the ones he looks to for guidance. Now he’s tap-dancing as far and fast as he can away from those “close friends”. What a phony!
2004 interview excerpts:
Barack Obama: The 2004 “God Factor” Interview Transcript
http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html
GG:
Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?
OBAMA:
Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.
GG:
Those two will keep you on your toes.
OBAMA:
And theyre good friends. Because both of them are in the public eye, there are ways we can all reflect on whats happening to each of us in ways that are useful.
I think they can help me, they can appreciate certain specific challenges that I go through as a public figure.
GG:
Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service. ..
GG:
Do you believe in sin?
OBAMA:
Yes.
GG:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
GG:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think its the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if Im true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when Im not true to it, its its own punishment.
GG:
Where do you find spiritual inspiration? Music, nature, literature, people, a conduit you plug into?
OBAMA:
There are so many.
Nothing is more powerful than the black church experience. A good choir and a good sermon in the black church, its pretty hard not to be move and be transported. ..
GG:
Is there something that you go back to as a touchstone, a book, a particular piece of music, a place ...
OBAMA:
As I said before, in my own sort of mental library, the Civil Rights movement has a powerful hold on me. ITs a point in time where I think heaven and earth meet. ..
GG:
Do you ever have people who know youre a Christian question a particular stance you take on an issue, how can you be a Christian and
OBAMA:
Like the right to choose.
I havent been challenged in those direct ways. And to that extent, I give the public a lot of credit. Im always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch FoxNews or listen to talk radio. Thats dangerous sometimes.
But generally, Americans are tolerant and I think recognize that faith is a personal thing, and they may feel very strongly about an issue like abortion or gay marriage, but if they discuss it with me as an elected official they will discuss it with me in those terms and not, say, as you call yourself a Christian. I cannot recall that ever happening. ... [...]
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Cal Thomas comments on the above-excerpted interview:
June 16, 2008 9:25:34
OBAMA IS NO JOSHUA By Cal Thomas
http://www.calthomas.com/index.php?news=2288
These attacks and lies seem to be coming mostly from one particular denomination and a little from another denomination and both are looking more and more like the religious legalists Jesus rebuked 2000 yrs ago.
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What attacks ????
And what denominations ????
Unlike you, I don't spend the elections hiding behind a keyboard. I've worked for the best in the primary every time and then for the best in the general.
Other than pressing your keyboard, what have you done? How many votes have you delivered?
LOL!!!
I'm guessing from your description that she was the last woman I would want to see without a bra :o
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