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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: Moolah

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx


1,721 posted on 08/16/2008 8:24:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: STARWISE

And that’s an outright lie.

*
it’s Obama’s own words from the document at the link, is there any other way you would have that interpreted?

Page 87

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

Obama: And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.


1,722 posted on 08/16/2008 8:24:10 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: seekthetruth

its on now

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx


1,723 posted on 08/16/2008 8:24:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SumProVita

Not only ran circles around Barry but had energy to spare


1,724 posted on 08/16/2008 8:25:08 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Salvation

I borrowed the US graphic and will disperse it widely.


1,725 posted on 08/16/2008 8:25:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Obama (Marxist), Manchuria)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Obama trying to move pro-life???


1,726 posted on 08/16/2008 8:25:34 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: STARWISE; Miss Didi; silent_jonny

I just got back from seeing Chris Isaak at the Morton Arboretum (fantastic show, btw), but I have to tell you all this. We sat at this area that was near an aisle, so we were people watching. The woman walked by several times wearing a pink “Obama ‘08” t-shirt (and red Crocs, sigh). After about 25 minutes, she changed into a Chris Isaak t-shirt!

I was cracking up, because I thought my my friend and I were probably the only 2 conservatives in attendance, but that was the only pro-Obama shirt we saw and she changed into something else! LMAO


1,727 posted on 08/16/2008 8:25:53 PM PDT by retrokitten ("That could be any mayor!" - Mayor Quimby)
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To: Son House

“the least of these” includes the very least, the unborn, Obama


1,728 posted on 08/16/2008 8:26:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: txflake

They had a whole segment on the “ONE” ad (the one with Moses in it) the other night on Campbell Brown’s show and in all seriousness, they had great concern that McCain is sending subliminal messages that Obama is the anti-christ. That is why CNN’s numbers are tanking. They don’t see humor in the “ONE” ad...they took it all seriously. It was a pathetic show.


1,729 posted on 08/16/2008 8:26:22 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: txflake

Babbling...evading...and still never answering.


1,730 posted on 08/16/2008 8:26:22 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: del4hope

President will always be BELOW his pay grade and ABOVE his ability.


1,731 posted on 08/16/2008 8:27:03 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: STARWISE

Disregard that last response, I’d thought you were implying me lying, now I see what you are trying to point out


1,732 posted on 08/16/2008 8:27:10 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: SoCalPol

Hi SCP

:)


1,733 posted on 08/16/2008 8:27:39 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: del4hope

I thought it was an excellent format .. same questions.
You got to hear them expound on them and contrast the
differences. And, as Krauthammer said, no gotcha
analyst flinging past quotes, etc. Just straight
answers.


1,734 posted on 08/16/2008 8:28:10 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: AliVeritas

WOW ! Explosive !


1,735 posted on 08/16/2008 8:29:17 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Shortstop7

10 years ago...

welfare reform...

Reform always sounds soooooo good..

Kicked off the welfare rolls ???

yes its not suppose to be a life career

HELLO ???????????


1,736 posted on 08/16/2008 8:29:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: seekthetruth

It’s cool to know you were praying, too - without any organizational efforts on anyone’s part.

I prayed several times for this show today, although I didn’t watch it. I prayed especially that God’s people would see clearly who the better man is to vote for.

I also prayed for the salvation of both candidates (not assuming either their salvation or lack of it). I prayed for the truth to come out, and for Rick Warren to fear God in his speech and behavior as a very public “elder,” not to disgrace the office. That and much more.

Apparently many of us were called to prayer today, and it seems from the comments that the Lord was pleased to hear our prayers.


1,737 posted on 08/16/2008 8:30:00 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: txflake

So true.


1,738 posted on 08/16/2008 8:30:52 PM PDT by del4hope (John McCain IS America's only "HOPE" for now.)
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To: jwalsh07; antonius

antonius is the designer of this........not me. I’ve just been plastering everywhere!

It is good and speaks volumes, doesn’t it?


1,739 posted on 08/16/2008 8:30:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Shortstop7

The stumbling of insecurity can come across as being precise.... But he changes position so much that I believe he is not well grounded.


1,740 posted on 08/16/2008 8:31:06 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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