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Gun Control Laws
April 10 2008 | apparentlly

Posted on 04/11/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Apparently

Gun owners insist that they need to carry a concealed weapon that is handguns for self-protection from criminals. Now that is saying that it is not safe for anyone to walk/drive to work at anytime of the day or night without fear of being attacked, robbed, raped, murdered for money etc. I am told that you cannot make any enemies in the United States for fear of being shot. In addition, that the only way of preventing this is to carry with you, a handgun of one form or another. I am also told that a well arm society is a polite society, and that strict laws lower crime. I am also told that the more guns on the streets the safer the streets become. The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them, your friends can always attest to it being a justifiable shooting. After reading the FBI stats, it goes along the lines that American civilians shoot and kill as many felons as the police do approximately and it is called justifiable. It is said that Americans are opposed to gun control and that you might as well take away cars as they kill more people than guns or how about knives. How about taking away alcohol that kills more people than guns.

Keeping the last argument in mind there does seem to be a flaw in the arguments concerning car/knives/alcohol, those things related to deaths are considered accidents, meaning, even though someone died during a car accident it was not intentional. Your intent I hope was not to go out with your car to kill someone. If it was it was, then it Was well thought out and obviously intentional on your part. You went out and got drunk and did something stupid that resulted in the death of someone, you did not again I hope do it on purpose, it was an accident. In regards to alcohol death results but it means a lot of physical activity on your part, for this to end up happening. Moreover, in anger and bad judgment on your part made the death happen due to the ease of access to the gun. You did not have time to think it out, or the thought of the consequences or even have time to cool down before you acted, it is now too late.

The crime rates are not going down as so many like to mislead and out right lie about it. For those they have a social/economic motive to lie and mislead others. It is to promote their own personal status and economic agendas. Crime rates fluctuate from year to year and for them to have any clear meaning have to be looked at over a period of a decade. The fact is the crime rates in the United States are one of the highest in the world, and those that say otherwise are misleading you. Crime rates are a reflection of the social/economic environment in which they take place. There would be no need for someone to carry a handgun if the economic environment was robust and the social/political environment was tolerant of peoples of different backgrounds. In fact, if that should take place the crime rates would go down dramatically as you would then be living in a culture free for the most part of intolerance. A social/political environment that is hostile is simply bad for business of any kind and so does not flourish.

Gun control laws are not to remove guns from law-abiding citizens but to remove the threat of misuse/accidents in order to protect the society. Now the gun laws may not reduce crime but if you read on you will see my point. In other countries were uniform gun laws are in place there is a mandatory jail time for committing a crime with a gun. The same crime if committed without a gun on average would spend half as much time in prison, so mandatory long prison times for gun crimes acts as a deterrent for crime, as a criminal you would think twice about it. That means for example someone is robbed, at least they will have a better chance of living through the experience, with a gun and the likely hood of being shot you do not have that much of a chance of living. Better to be hurt than dead .It is well known that in countries that have gun control laws homicide rates are low. Author Apparently


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To: Apparently

U R stoopid.

(I shall elaborate later. My lunch hour is over.)


41 posted on 04/11/2008 12:58:53 PM PDT by Redcloak (Yeah... Sure... McCain. Why not.)
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To: Apparently
but if you read on you will see my point.

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Ah, no. I think not.

42 posted on 04/11/2008 12:59:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Apparently
Apparently a moron who despises the Bill of Rights.

But we do love the smell of ozone in the afternoon!

43 posted on 04/11/2008 12:59:16 PM PDT by FredZarguna (PA's newest and shortest term DemocRAT: 16:55 3/24-8:05 4/23/2008.)
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To: Apparently
The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them

Lost me right there. It's not worth my time to read the rest of the tripe, no excuse me....drivel attempting to disguise itself as journalism.

44 posted on 04/11/2008 1:00:07 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: Apparently

Apparently...you were suspended from school for a few days and mommy and daddy are at work, so you’re here bugging us because you have nothing better to do?


45 posted on 04/11/2008 1:00:12 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Apparently

46 posted on 04/11/2008 1:01:08 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Apparently
"Now the gun laws may not reduce crime but if you read on you will see my point."

Kinda hard to see a point that isn't there. If gun control laws do not reduce crime (and the evidence proves they don't), then there is no point, period. Tough laws on crimes involving guns is NOT gun control. Gun control is where they take away or reduce your right to purchase, own, and carry a gun. You can say that's not what you're trying to do all you want, but no one here is stupid enough to believe you. Congratulations on wasting your time and mine.
47 posted on 04/11/2008 1:01:17 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: trisham
Here, let me fix that for (the now zotted Apparently)...

"but if you read on I part my hair differently you will see my point.

48 posted on 04/11/2008 1:01:27 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Apparently
Profound ignorance.

Thanks for sharing

49 posted on 04/11/2008 1:01:27 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Apparently

I am not sure from your post if you are advocating gun ownership,or gun control laws.

Let me enlighten you, start by reading up at JPFO, Jews for the preservation of gun control.

Also a well armed society is a polite society is not a license to kill.
It is however a society that believes in self protection.
I am unable to carry a cop in my pocket, however if I choose I should be able to carry a gun, under 2nd amendment.
As an aside, if I could could carry a cop in my pocket, I would choose a fiery redhead 5ft or so with a disposition to match.

Also guns do not kill people, people kill using guns,knives,baseball bats,2x4’s, their hands,coffee pots, pipes,cars,rocks,sticks and anything else that can cause great bodily harm.

I have the right to defend myself, politicians do not have the right to remove that right.
Many think they do, but they are wrong.


50 posted on 04/11/2008 1:01:53 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Apparently

You wrote: “The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them...”

I offer the following as proof that you are wrong in this assertion: I haven’t shot YOU.


51 posted on 04/11/2008 1:02:23 PM PDT by WayneS ("Take your stinking paws off of me you damn dirty ape!")
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To: Resolute Conservative

“How about taking away alcohol that kills more people than guns. Keeping the last argument in mind there does seem to be a flaw in the arguments concerning car/knives/alcohol, those things related to deaths are considered accidents, meaning, even though someone died during a car accident it was not intentional.”

And later-

“Gun control laws are not to remove guns from law-abiding citizens but to remove the threat of misuse/accidents in order to protect the society.”

I love the way liberals “think”. And that is taking the view that getting into your car plastered and then hitting another car or pedestrian is an “accident”.


52 posted on 04/11/2008 1:02:33 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Zotted


53 posted on 04/11/2008 1:02:41 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: mnehrling

We’re SO cute!!

This was shaping up to be a boring Friday afternoon. Better now!!


54 posted on 04/11/2008 1:03:11 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0'bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: Apparently

Apparently someone doesn’t have 3 pounds worth of gray matter.


55 posted on 04/11/2008 1:03:20 PM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("...If it moves, tax it, if it moves faster, regulate it, if it stops, subsidise it.")
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To: Apparently

Apparently is a DumbAss.


56 posted on 04/11/2008 1:03:23 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Apparently

Hey, thanks, I’ve always wondered what kind of 4th grade essay assignments they give at San Francisco P.S. #69.


57 posted on 04/11/2008 1:04:20 PM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: Nailbiter

“Also guns do not kill people, people kill using guns,knives,baseball bats,2x4’s, their hands,coffee pots, pipes,cars,rocks,sticks...”

And don’t forget video game controllers. Those things need to be outlawed too.


58 posted on 04/11/2008 1:04:23 PM PDT by WayneS ("Take your stinking paws off of me you damn dirty ape!")
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To: Apparently; robertpaulsen

RP are you going under a different name now?


59 posted on 04/11/2008 1:04:40 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: mnehrling

Is the Glock pretty big, or is the cat pretty small?


60 posted on 04/11/2008 1:05:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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