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Gun Control Laws
April 10 2008 | apparentlly

Posted on 04/11/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Apparently

Gun owners insist that they need to carry a concealed weapon that is handguns for self-protection from criminals. Now that is saying that it is not safe for anyone to walk/drive to work at anytime of the day or night without fear of being attacked, robbed, raped, murdered for money etc. I am told that you cannot make any enemies in the United States for fear of being shot. In addition, that the only way of preventing this is to carry with you, a handgun of one form or another. I am also told that a well arm society is a polite society, and that strict laws lower crime. I am also told that the more guns on the streets the safer the streets become. The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them, your friends can always attest to it being a justifiable shooting. After reading the FBI stats, it goes along the lines that American civilians shoot and kill as many felons as the police do approximately and it is called justifiable. It is said that Americans are opposed to gun control and that you might as well take away cars as they kill more people than guns or how about knives. How about taking away alcohol that kills more people than guns.

Keeping the last argument in mind there does seem to be a flaw in the arguments concerning car/knives/alcohol, those things related to deaths are considered accidents, meaning, even though someone died during a car accident it was not intentional. Your intent I hope was not to go out with your car to kill someone. If it was it was, then it Was well thought out and obviously intentional on your part. You went out and got drunk and did something stupid that resulted in the death of someone, you did not again I hope do it on purpose, it was an accident. In regards to alcohol death results but it means a lot of physical activity on your part, for this to end up happening. Moreover, in anger and bad judgment on your part made the death happen due to the ease of access to the gun. You did not have time to think it out, or the thought of the consequences or even have time to cool down before you acted, it is now too late.

The crime rates are not going down as so many like to mislead and out right lie about it. For those they have a social/economic motive to lie and mislead others. It is to promote their own personal status and economic agendas. Crime rates fluctuate from year to year and for them to have any clear meaning have to be looked at over a period of a decade. The fact is the crime rates in the United States are one of the highest in the world, and those that say otherwise are misleading you. Crime rates are a reflection of the social/economic environment in which they take place. There would be no need for someone to carry a handgun if the economic environment was robust and the social/political environment was tolerant of peoples of different backgrounds. In fact, if that should take place the crime rates would go down dramatically as you would then be living in a culture free for the most part of intolerance. A social/political environment that is hostile is simply bad for business of any kind and so does not flourish.

Gun control laws are not to remove guns from law-abiding citizens but to remove the threat of misuse/accidents in order to protect the society. Now the gun laws may not reduce crime but if you read on you will see my point. In other countries were uniform gun laws are in place there is a mandatory jail time for committing a crime with a gun. The same crime if committed without a gun on average would spend half as much time in prison, so mandatory long prison times for gun crimes acts as a deterrent for crime, as a criminal you would think twice about it. That means for example someone is robbed, at least they will have a better chance of living through the experience, with a gun and the likely hood of being shot you do not have that much of a chance of living. Better to be hurt than dead .It is well known that in countries that have gun control laws homicide rates are low. Author Apparently


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1 posted on 04/11/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Apparently
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To: Apparently

Troll alert. I won’t make any further comments as they wouldn’t be befitting this site.


2 posted on 04/11/2008 12:46:34 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Apparently; Admin Moderator

IB4TZ?

Do I hear kittens?

Do I smell ozone?


3 posted on 04/11/2008 12:47:14 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Apparently

The people most likely to misuse guns are the criminals and the deranged. They don’t obey laws anyway.


4 posted on 04/11/2008 12:47:26 PM PDT by coydog (Keep Canada green - paint a Liberal!)
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To: Apparently

Thanks for dropping by! I assume you can find your own way out or do you need help?


5 posted on 04/11/2008 12:47:49 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Apparently

I can see that I will be needing to don my lead suit.


6 posted on 04/11/2008 12:48:52 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Apparently
The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them

You shore figured us gun-rights folks out. I just don't feel right in the morning unless I can open my bedroom window and shoot someone walking by in front of my house.

7 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:26 PM PDT by dirtboy
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Gawd, there is so many factual errors in your post I hardly know where to begin. But I'll start off with one question:

Out of the several hundred thousand citizens who legally carry a weapon, how many have misused those weapons?

Good luck...

8 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:29 PM PDT by KenHorse (I am Shakespeare of Borg. Prepare to be or not to be)
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To: Apparently

You should really use a spell check.


9 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:34 PM PDT by Tiemieshooz (First round is on me)
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To: Apparently

In before the Cold Dead Hands Zot


10 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:37 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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I am told that you cannot make any enemies in the United States for fear of being shot.

IBTZ!

11 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:43 PM PDT by holymoly
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“even though someone died during a car accident it was not intentional”

Bull. If you drive under the influence then it is not an accident it is intentional. An accident is struck by lightning, tree falling onto road in front of you etc...

Most car wrecks are not accidents as someone involved was culpable in violating the law or the paws of physics.


12 posted on 04/11/2008 12:49:49 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Apparently

Another leftist exhibiting the blindspot for the concept of “incentives”.

It’s why you fear and hate the free market system.

It’s why EVERY liberal policy makes the situation worse, and causes other problems.

In the case of this issue, if you were a criminal, would you be more or less likely to randomly target someone if

a) You knew it was illegal for law abiding citizens to carry firearms.
b) Your next “victim” might ventilate you real good

???

You might have to think a bit, being an incentively challenged lib.


13 posted on 04/11/2008 12:50:38 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Apparently
Come and take it.

14 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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Gee, you signed up 3 days ago to spew this liberal crap. The 2nd amendment prevents the government from disarming individual citizens. If you don't like that, move to another country where that protection doesn't exist. Concealed carry of a firearm is no different from purchasing car insurance or medical insurance. All three are forms of insurance that you hope to never need. If you fail to choose that form of insurance, you must bear the consequences. Not having medical or car insurance will cost you lots of money and maybe your life if you can't afford the medical services. Not having the firearm is likely to cost your life. It's still no guarantee. Your skill at defending your life with the firearm may not be sufficient or it may occur too late to matter. One thing is certain. If you need it and dont' have it, you're dead.
15 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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Apparently you are socialistmarxistlyingliberal....

But I could be wrong.........

16 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Apparently

IB4TZ?


17 posted on 04/11/2008 12:52:05 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Apparently

Just curious - what country are you from, and how old are you?


18 posted on 04/11/2008 12:52:13 PM PDT by dbwz (kthxbai)
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To: mnehrling; Resolute Conservative

Post 14 has an example of the “paws of physics”


19 posted on 04/11/2008 12:52:49 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Apparently
Meow!!!


20 posted on 04/11/2008 12:53:17 PM PDT by Thunder90
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