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Cannibalism May Have Wiped Out Neanderthals
Discovery News ^ | 2-27-2008 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 02/28/2008 6:52:33 PM PST by blam

Cannibalism May Have Wiped Out Neanderthals

Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Unhealthy Diets?

Feb. 27, 2008 -- A Neanderthal-eat-Neanderthal world may have spread a mad cow-like disease that weakened and reduced populations of the large Eurasian human, thereby contributing to its extinction, according to a new theory based on cannibalism that took place in more recent history.

Aside from illustrating that consumption of one's own species isn't exactly a healthy way to eat, the new theoretical model could resolve the longstanding mystery as to what caused Neanderthals, which emerged around 250,000 years ago, to disappear off the face of the Earth about 30,000 years ago.

"The story of Neanderthal extinction is one of the most intriguing in all of human evolution," author Simon Underdown told Discovery News. "Why did a large-brained, intelligent hominid that shared so many traits with us disappear?"

To resolve that question, Underdown, a lecturer in the Department of Anthropology at Oxford Brookes University, studied a well-documented tribal group, the Fore of Papua New Guinea, who practiced ritualistic cannibalism.

Gory evidence uncovered in a French cave in 1999 revealed Neanderthals likely practiced cannibalism. The 100,000-120,000 year-old bones discovered at the cave site of Moula-Guercy near the west bank of the Rhone river suggested a group of Neanderthals defleshed the bones of at least six other individuals and then broke the bones apart with a hammerstone and anvil to remove the marrow and brains.

Although it's not clear why Neanderthals may have eaten each other, research on the Fore determined that maternal kin of certain deceased Fore individuals used to dismember corpses and regarded some human flesh as a valuable food source.

Beginning in the early 1900's, anthropologists additionally began to take note of an affliction named Kuru among the Fore. By the 1960's, Kuru reached epidemic levels and killed over 1,100 people.

Subsequent investigations determined that Kuru was related to the Fore's cannibalistic activities and was a form of Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy, or TSE. This is a class of disease that includes mad cow disease. Underdown said TSE's have been in existence for possibly millions of years.

According to his new paper, published in the journal Medical Hypotheses, TSE's "cause brain tissue to take on an almost sponge-like appearance, caused by the formation of small holes during the development of the disease."

The disease's latter stages often result in severe mental impairment, loss of speech and an inability to move.

He created a model, based on the Kuru findings, to figure out how the spread of such a disease via cannibalism could reduce a population's size. For example, he calculated that within a hypothetical group of 15,000 individuals, such a disease could reduce the population to non-viable levels within 250 years. When added to other pressures, this type of disease could therefore have wiped out the Neanderthals, Underdown believes.

"TSE's could have thinned the population, reducing numbers and contributing to their extinction in combination with other factors (such as climate change and the emergence of modern humans)," he said.

Such diseases have very long incubation periods, he further explained, so affected individuals may not show symptoms for a very long time. Similarly, people who consume TSE victims may not exhibit signs of illness immediately after eating.

"Neanderthals would have been unlikely to spot any causal relationship between cannibalism and TSE symptoms," Underdown said.

Since modern clinical tests show that medical instruments can carry infectious prions, which spread TSE's, even after such tools have been sterilized, it's also possible that sharing of stone tools could have additionally spread the disease among Neanderthals, even those that did not practice cannibalism.

Nick Barton, Director of the Institute of Archaeology at the University of Oxford, told Discovery News that he thinks the new paper presents "an extremely novel and very interesting theory."

"Most scholars now believe that the demise of the Neanderthals was not down to a single causal factor," Barton said. "However, if genetic studies eventually show that Neanderthals were susceptible to TSE, or other empirical evidence emerges for persistent cannibalism and consumption of brain tissues in late Neanderthal populations, then we may have to rethink our ideas on extinction."


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To: blam

hmm what happened to the Mayans?


41 posted on 02/28/2008 7:51:29 PM PST by rolling_stone (same)
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To: SpaceBar

I saw an anthropologist on (I think) the History Channel who claimed that Cro Magnons and Neanderthals interbred and there are people walking around today who have a lot of Neanderthal genes. As far as I can tell, this isn’t provable unless they get some Neanderthal DNA to compare with that of people today.

Then there are others who claim that interbreeding between Cro Magnons and Neanderthals would not have been possible.


42 posted on 02/28/2008 7:51:47 PM PST by FFranco
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To: blam

Two cannibals were sitting by the campfire and one says, “I hate my mother-in-law”. The other replies, “So try the potatoes”.


43 posted on 02/28/2008 7:51:49 PM PST by dainbramaged (the Tree of Liberty needs watering)
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To: Mike Darancette

“Who ate the last Neanderthal?”

Nobody, he had a heart attack. Red meat’s no good for you.


44 posted on 02/28/2008 7:53:13 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: sheik yerbouty

“Parts is parts..”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wonder how many people remember where that little soundbite came from?


45 posted on 02/28/2008 7:55:07 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I have heard they are almost impossible to destroy; even exposing them to radiation won’t destroy them. Probably, any contaminated instruments would have to be safely disposed of.


46 posted on 02/28/2008 7:56:01 PM PST by FFranco
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To: dainbramaged

I will stop laughing in a few minutes here.


47 posted on 02/28/2008 7:58:22 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: blam

I’ll file this under “one guess is as good as another”.


48 posted on 02/28/2008 8:00:35 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: blam
Cannibalism May Have Wiped Out Neanderthals

That's a relief! At first glance I thought it said Cannibalism Wiped Out the Netherlands.

And I like Heineken.

49 posted on 02/28/2008 8:02:56 PM PST by Barnacle (Reagan Republicanism R.I.P.)
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To: blam
"Neanderthals would have been unlikely to spot any causal relationship between cannibalism and TSE symptoms," Underdown said."

Oh, so no surprise that it doesn't show up in the Pleistocene Annals of Neurology, huh?
But then, I'm just a caveman and your world frightens and confuses me.
I'm going to bed. My head is killing me.
Let the dog out before you come up please...


50 posted on 02/28/2008 8:04:03 PM PST by billorites (Freepo ergo sum)
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To: FFranco

Sheesh!


51 posted on 02/28/2008 8:05:22 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: blam
If McDonalds had showed up 30,000 years ago, this tragedy of Neanderthals gobbling up each other would not have happened.

Prolly there was so much Neanderthal (aka Demonkat) oppresive gub-mint regulation then, that it was impossible for Neanderthal McDonald to get his business started. Thus, sadly, they all died.

Moral of story:
Socialism kills.
Conservatism brings freedom, health, wealth, happiness, non-Neanderthal burgers, and longevity.

52 posted on 02/28/2008 8:07:24 PM PST by webschooner
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To: FFranco

I’m reading a pretty good book right now, “Mapping Human History” written by Steve Olson in 2002. The book deals primarily with mapping waves of Hominid migrations leading to human population of the earth, based mostly on genetic research. There has been a substantial amount of DNA recovered from Neandertal fossils. The analysis indicates that Neandertals and Homo sapiens did not interbreed.

This is an interesting field of science with lots of ground breaking work being performed presently.

I recommend the book, if you are interested in biology/anthropology/geology.


53 posted on 02/28/2008 8:09:05 PM PST by Cali Redneck
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To: blam

“Although it’s not clear why Neanderthals may have eaten each other, research on the Fore determined that maternal kin of certain deceased Fore individuals used to dismember corpses and regarded some human flesh as a valuable food source.”

Neanderthal Stem Cell Research.


54 posted on 02/28/2008 8:10:53 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: blam

“Although it’s not clear why Neanderthals may have eaten each other”

So, did they have an Oral Fixation...?


55 posted on 02/28/2008 8:11:11 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: blam
Was there ever a cannibalistic society in which that was its downfall?

The Aztecs were done in by the Spanish, although man of their descendents are currently found mainly sou...uh, make that north of Mexico's border.

And there are Iriquois and other tribes that practiced cannibalism still about.

There still may be tribes in Africa, and definately in the SW Pacific.

Though some Neanderthal groups used to bury their dead with flowers, which may even signal the start of recognition of something beyond the existence they knew.

56 posted on 02/28/2008 8:19:05 PM PST by onedoug
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To: mamelukesabre

Gee..didn’t he look like H. Ross Perot?


57 posted on 02/28/2008 8:20:19 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: blam
hmmm...Neanderthal eating Neanderthal;
Liberal eating Liberal;

...the present repeating the past...
58 posted on 02/28/2008 8:20:44 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you...our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: sheik yerbouty

?

That response doesn’t seem to make sense with the post you are responding to. Please clarify.


59 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:02 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: blam

btt


60 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:56 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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