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Illegal Immigration or Invasion
November 9, 2007 | backtothestreets

Posted on 11/10/2007 12:03:03 AM PST by backtothestreets

I've snipped some Articles from three different sources for this posting.

MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) is classified as a gang by our government, but MS-13 was, and for all practical purposes, still is a paramilitary organization. With 200,000 members nationwide, and most illegal immigrants, it is an army, an invasion, and should be treated as such.

Anyone can search Yahoo or Google news for MS-13 any day of the week, and they will find murder after murder, and often the victims are US citizens. It is madness.

In remarks Wednesday, DHS Secretary Chertoff said ICE was deporting criminal MS-13 members. Nothing different then what the feds did 20 years ago.

The government has been deporting them for two decades, and they just come right back in. There should be a federal law allowing for their immediate execution if they return. US citizens that join MS-13 should be treated as traitors since the organization is a foreign paramilitary force. And, this includes any politician or government official that has granted favors to MS-13.

If joining or assisting a foreign paramilitary force inside our borders is not treason, what is it?

People really need to think about what is happening here in the USA. All the people that support keeping our troops in Iraq need to understand the paramilitary MS-13 forces in our nation this moment outnumber all our troops in Iraq. Why these folks are more concerned with protecting Iraq than our own soil and American lives is beyond me. What the heck are our people thinking?

When Princeton University, one of the most liberal universities in the nation, is hounding local police to do more to secure the area from the local MS-13 threat there, that’s news. It’s not just conservatives that are concerned. ALL AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED! http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/11/05/opinion/19186.shtml

Here’s a snip from a Las Vegas news report:

The most violent gang of the bunch is MS-13, more of a paramilitary group than a mere gang. It’s made up primarily of ex-soldiers from Central America, especially El Salvador. MS-13 is believed responsible for thousands of murders. They’re suspected of working with Al Quaeda to smuggle terrorists into the U.S. And because of their military training, they are often hired as assassins or muscle by the Colombian cartels or Mexican mafia.

Carlos Acosta: "They’ve gone to war. They’ve killed people. They’ve fought."

George Knapp: "So, it’s more dangerous for you guys?"

Carlos Acosta: "Absolutely."

Larry Miller: "So, instead of kids you’re dealing with trained soldiers." REF: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7300961

Another Las Vegas report states "As feared as they are in our communities, the army they are building behind bars can be even more frightening." REF: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7305459

From yet another college newspaper report: "Of course there could be gang members on your campus. You’ve got bangers in the military now," REF: http://media.www.signal-online.net/media/storage/paper771/news/2007/10/17/Editorial/Gang-Activity.Shouldnt.Come.As.Surprise-3036918.shtml

Conservatives need to stop thinking liberals do not care about illegal immigration. Conservatives need to combine forces with the liberals that are concerned, and there are many. Only then can we hope to force politicians of both parties to act. We need to hang-up the conservative and liberal labels and come together as Americans.

If the government waits, and hell breaks out here in the USA, our citizens will not be asking to see any documentation. They will go after anyone they think an illegal immigrant based on race first and many honest, law-abiding US citizens of Mexican, Central and South American decent are going to be hurt badly! This should not happen, but the government has set the stage for it to happen. It’s utter madness!

If this ever happens, hold the politicians accountable.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; crime; gangs; illegalimmigration; invasion; ms13
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To: DoughtyOne
"You may not like it, but there's your answer to what's going on."

You'll get no complaints from me.

I also gave up on the two parties. They are both traitorous, and I don't want to believe my ears when I hear the partisans arguing over what is essentially, who has the better traitor.

I fully agree the politicians and heads of government agencies know exactly what is going on. My opinion is that they know a population living in fear will give up personal liberties to government. I think I read somewhere that Joseph Stalin used fear to govern. Our politicians are using fear to govern, but they are much more cleaver allowing an invading force to create the fear.

Scary thought, but you might be more optimistic than me about the future of our nation.
21 posted on 11/10/2007 2:29:18 AM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: backtothestreets

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22 posted on 11/10/2007 2:30:04 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: pandoraou812
I agree we should just execute them I am sorry to say. They are dangerous & have no regard for life. We have to do something to be rid of them IMO.

I'm with you on this. I'll even volunteer to carry out the executions.

23 posted on 11/10/2007 2:36:05 AM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: backtothestreets
I like this solution:


24 posted on 11/10/2007 2:52:22 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"I would cut off all legal immigration for twenty years."

That's a target against the WRONG group and a blanket policy like that against the lawful would never be considered by the public.

But as long as we're throwing out ideas that'll never get done, I'd expect the government issue citizens SS cards with biometric data backed by the same source document review you'd have applying for a US passport - yet, ass backwards as it be, the government wants to issue ID's to illegal aliens, another cost you and I would bear inflicted by aliens. So some in the government's proposal is to ID every potential alien in the world and avoid the only right, sane method of ID. CITIZEN ONLY.

I'd welcome the policy that says "Mom, Dad not a legal citizen? sorry kid, unless one parent is here legally, apply for citizenship when you're 18." Issue the parents a proviso notice or a conditional birth certification for the child's future use giving him/her citizenship applicant preference and ship them all out.

Next thing to do - dismantle and outlaw the subversive group, ACLU, La Raza, CAIR, etc. and allow states suspend or rescind the licenses of its practicing attorneys associated with such groups. By doing that, there'd be less challenges to ID'ing "persons of interest" and the lawful inquiries into legal status. Also, remove any/all challenges to deportation order executions - challenges may be done from the alien's home country and paid for by the challenger, it's one reason why we have DIPLOMATS.

We need to make it unlawful for anyone to accept ID's issued by foreign entities from within the US. Unless a legal entry was made through a designated point of entry, properly stamped or marked by US Customs with the date/time of entry and found in Custom's database, that foreign ID ought be voided and confiscated. Banks bearing "FDIC" ought be forced to comply with those ID requirements or face operational suspension for noncompliance.

America, then, needs rethink its obligations in "entitlements". IMO, except for those of disability status, persons of civilian status and under retirement age who've never worked twenty consecutive quarters without arrest and conviction of a crime ought not be "entitled" to anything. I'd also like to see obesity removed as being labeled a disability that places one on taxpayer care unless they're willing that doctors employ a USDA approved program to downsize them. To remain on disability, the obese ought have to show at least a 2% weight reduction per quarter, with benefits reduced commensurate with their failure to comply with reduction goals.

Getting Americans back to doing jobs Americans have grown too lazy to do needs be a priority, and quitting paying them for not doing those jobs is paramount.

25 posted on 11/10/2007 3:09:59 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: backtothestreets
Immigration is the 21st century Trojan Horse.
26 posted on 11/10/2007 3:30:16 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I do agree with you but I would also add that the politicians need to put millions on the tax rolls for SS. They say the “future” of social security is jeopardy, BS, social security is jeopardy NOW. The whole pyramid scheme is about to fall and they need bodies to prop it up. The consequences are irrelevent to them. Our children are going to take the fall for this madness.


27 posted on 11/10/2007 4:03:13 AM PST by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: backtothestreets

I truly FEAR for my children’s future, and they aren’t babies either.


28 posted on 11/10/2007 4:09:01 AM PST by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: backtothestreets

“If the government waits, and hell breaks out here in the USA, our citizens will not be asking to see any documentation. They will go after anyone they think an illegal immigrant based on race first and many honest, law-abiding US citizens of Mexican, Central and South American decent are going to be hurt badly! This should not happen, but the government has set the stage for it to happen. It’s utter madness! If this ever happens, hold the politicians accountable.”

It could not have been said any clearer than that.


29 posted on 11/10/2007 4:18:46 AM PST by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: pandoraou812
There should also be a law that any company found hiring illegals should be closed immediately and the proceeds of the sale of that company/inventory would go to the U.S. Government. WITH NO APPEALING THE DECISION. Yes, I know this would hurt U.S. Citizens working for that/those companies in the beginning but let several of these places close and you would see employers NOT hiring illegals.
30 posted on 11/10/2007 4:20:33 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberals want to turn this country and the world back into a feudal society.)
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To: DoughtyOne

This board is still full of idiots and shills who will tell you that you are the one who is crazy and paranoid.

But you are exactly right.

Unfortunately, lacking some triggering event, things will just go on and on til one day, the few remaining sheep will look up to see that it is all over.


31 posted on 11/10/2007 4:25:06 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I am a proud anti-invasion racist!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I’ve never seen a more contemptable group of sons-of-bitches in my life, who have been given the honor to serve us and yet have essentially taken advantage of that honor to destroy us.”

Well said, my friend.


32 posted on 11/10/2007 4:26:40 AM PST by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: backtothestreets
It's deer season in Va. What's preventing an MS-13 season? they're are not hard to spot, they all seem to have MS tatoo's all over themselves. They might look good strapped to the hood of a ford bronco....
33 posted on 11/10/2007 4:31:14 AM PST by central_va
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To: central_va

Maybe they are a protected species. I can’t legally kill a rattlesnake here.


34 posted on 11/10/2007 4:59:10 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: azhenfud
That's a target against the WRONG group and a blanket policy like that against the lawful would never be considered by the public.

I agree that we can't stop all immigration, but we do need to change our current immigration policies, e.g., eliminate the Visa Lottery Program, stop extended chain migration, eliminate birthright citizenship [anchor babies], go to a merit based system, and reduce the numbers of legal immigrants from 1.2 million to 300,000 a year.

35 posted on 11/10/2007 5:05:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: panthermom

...but I would also add that the politicians need to put millions on the tax rolls for SS.

Illegals are not going to save the SS system. In fact, they will be taking more out of the entitlement systems than they are contributing. And SS is a pay as you go system with any "surplus" being spent and IOUs in that amount being added to the SSTF, which is part of our $9 trillion national debt.

36 posted on 11/10/2007 5:08:53 AM PST by kabar
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To: backtothestreets

If you don’t own a firearm, shame on you. Don’t forget at least 1,000 rounds of +P ammo. Know your weapon and insure those around whom you love and call family are capable of pulling down on the scruge target. Don’t expect Government to help, they won’t. Know where you are going after death and pray plenty.


37 posted on 11/10/2007 5:11:13 AM PST by JamesA
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To: B-Chan

Enemy combatants. To Gitmo with them.

and give them koran toilet paper!!!


38 posted on 11/10/2007 5:18:55 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: ought-six
“I’ve never seen a more contemptable group of sons-of-bitches in my life,
who have been given the honor to serve us
and yet have essentially taken advantage of that honor to destroy us.”

Chertoff-the-Barbarian: “What is best in life? To see illegal invaders slaughter and run over innocent Americans in and outside their homes,
to hear the lamentation of American girls and their families screaming as they are held hostage or gang-raped by illegal invaders,
to watch the invaders change --at their will-- the entire language, culture, and safety of a once-free country
and then --to simply ignore the cries, wails, and demands of the American people as we will give each of the illegal invaders: full Amnesty."

39 posted on 11/10/2007 5:24:28 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: DoughtyOne

“You may not like it, but there’s your answer to what’s going on.”

Great post DO and I’m right there with you!


40 posted on 11/10/2007 5:49:55 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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