Illegal Immigration or Invasion

November 9, 2007 | backtothestreets

[backtothestreets]

I've snipped some Articles from three different sources for this posting.

MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) is classified as a gang by our government, but MS-13 was, and for all practical purposes, still is a paramilitary organization. With 200,000 members nationwide, and most illegal immigrants, it is an army, an invasion, and should be treated as such.

Anyone can search Yahoo or Google news for MS-13 any day of the week, and they will find murder after murder, and often the victims are US citizens. It is madness.

In remarks Wednesday, DHS Secretary Chertoff said ICE was deporting criminal MS-13 members. Nothing different then what the feds did 20 years ago.

The government has been deporting them for two decades, and they just come right back in. There should be a federal law allowing for their immediate execution if they return. US citizens that join MS-13 should be treated as traitors since the organization is a foreign paramilitary force. And, this includes any politician or government official that has granted favors to MS-13.

If joining or assisting a foreign paramilitary force inside our borders is not treason, what is it?

People really need to think about what is happening here in the USA. All the people that support keeping our troops in Iraq need to understand the paramilitary MS-13 forces in our nation this moment outnumber all our troops in Iraq. Why these folks are more concerned with protecting Iraq than our own soil and American lives is beyond me. What the heck are our people thinking?

When Princeton University, one of the most liberal universities in the nation, is hounding local police to do more to secure the area from the local MS-13 threat there, that’s news. It’s not just conservatives that are concerned. ALL AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED! http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/11/05/opinion/19186.shtml

Here’s a snip from a Las Vegas news report:

The most violent gang of the bunch is MS-13, more of a paramilitary group than a mere gang. It’s made up primarily of ex-soldiers from Central America, especially El Salvador. MS-13 is believed responsible for thousands of murders. They’re suspected of working with Al Quaeda to smuggle terrorists into the U.S. And because of their military training, they are often hired as assassins or muscle by the Colombian cartels or Mexican mafia.

Carlos Acosta: "They’ve gone to war. They’ve killed people. They’ve fought."

George Knapp: "So, it’s more dangerous for you guys?"

Carlos Acosta: "Absolutely."

Larry Miller: "So, instead of kids you’re dealing with trained soldiers." REF: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7300961

Another Las Vegas report states "As feared as they are in our communities, the army they are building behind bars can be even more frightening." REF: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7305459

From yet another college newspaper report: "Of course there could be gang members on your campus. You’ve got bangers in the military now," REF: http://media.www.signal-online.net/media/storage/paper771/news/2007/10/17/Editorial/Gang-Activity.Shouldnt.Come.As.Surprise-3036918.shtml

Conservatives need to stop thinking liberals do not care about illegal immigration. Conservatives need to combine forces with the liberals that are concerned, and there are many. Only then can we hope to force politicians of both parties to act. We need to hang-up the conservative and liberal labels and come together as Americans.

If the government waits, and hell breaks out here in the USA, our citizens will not be asking to see any documentation. They will go after anyone they think an illegal immigrant based on race first and many honest, law-abiding US citizens of Mexican, Central and South American decent are going to be hurt badly! This should not happen, but the government has set the stage for it to happen. It’s utter madness!

If this ever happens, hold the politicians accountable.

[backtothestreets]

Comments?

[pandoraou812]

The government has been deporting them for two decades, and they just come right back in. There should be a federal law allowing for their immediate execution if they return. US citizens that join MS-13 should be treated as traitors since the organization is a foreign paramilitary force. And, this includes any politician or government official that has granted favors to MS-13.

I agree we should just execute them I am sorry to say. They are dangerous & have no regard for life. We have to do something to be rid of them IMO.

[B-Chan]

Enemy combatants. To Gitmo with them.

[Crim]

Invasion...cartel death squads now operate in the US with impunity...

Time for a perminate troop presence on our southern border and a wall with 50 cals every thousand meters...

If it moves...shoot it...

If it dont move...use it for target practice...

[rabscuttle385]

MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) is classified as a gang by our government, but MS-13 was, and for all practical purposes, still is a paramilitary organization.

I distinctly remember two acts of violence here in the DC metro area in the past couple of years: the machete attacks; and the car that was left burning on Route 7 in eastern Loudoun in the middle of the night.

MS-13 and other gangs (paramilitary organizations) pose a significant threat to public safety in various localities and must be dealt with.

[AmericanInTokyo]

As also, FOLLOW>>>THE>>>MONEY.

Follow the money.

Business wants illegal aliens to bring their costs down and inflate their profits, therefore stock price, therefore stock options, therefore junior's four years at Princeton and that second yacht off Cancun, or another mistress or whatever.

What's it to them if a couple of thousand of MS-13 types come in with the swarm of workers they facilitate through open borders, shamnesty and sanctuary?

After all, THEY will be safe in the gated community.

Stupid, insignificant "Joe Sixpack" out in "flyover country" will be the only one to have to contend with that danger, not the privileged who are carelessly ensconced away from it, so it won't be any skin off THEIR neck.

Really. By now, everyone should know this is exactly how they feel about us poor, unwashed saps at the grassroots.

But I can tell you. OUR day is coming.

[Son House]

FOLLOW>>>THE>>>MONEY

During the day, the illegal immigrants are out shopping a lot, I was wondering where they’re getting “THE>>>MONEY” from? An American Welfare Plus program.

[DoughtyOne]

When I read comments like these, it's rather easy to respond on the exact points you are addressing and forget to think a little more in the abstract.

Our leaders know what you are talking about.  Local police agencies across this nation are aware of it.  Emergency responders and the emergency rooms across the nation are aware of it.  The FBI is aware of it.  ICE is aware of it.  Our Congressmen and Senators are aware of it.  Our President is aware of it.  Despite this, as late as a few short months ago, our fearless leader at the very top was trying to get these people amnesty, and he nearly pulled it off.

I gave up on the Democrats in the early 1970s.  I gave up on the Senate in the mid 1990s.  I gave up on the Republicans in 2000.  I gave up on the President in 2001.  In 2007, I've nearly given up on my fellow citizens.

I wonder if our government knows what a precarious situation it is faced with.  The wigged out left hasn't trusted the government since the early 1970s.  Many others are disillusioned.  Now the right is coming to the conclusion that our government is filled with terrorist sympathizers and globalist traitors.  Our very sovereignty and the relinquishing of it is discussed with the same passion by our leaders, as you and I would use to convey our preference for coffee additives.

Our leaders would rather see open borders and free trade that verges on the insane, than controlled borders, sovereignty and reasoned trade.  We are headed for an FTAA that dictates all laws in the United States will be determined by two representatives from every nation in North, Central and South America.  Hugo Chavez' government will have as many votes at his disposal determining our governance, as our own representatives on the America's Commission will.

All this matters not to our leaders.  It matters not to our citizens.  Very few can even be found on this forum who will acknowledge the danger we face.  The deaths of citizens at the hands of MS-13 pale in comparison to this, IMO, but that is where we are headed.

We have moved so many people in from other parts of the world that I am not sure if a majority of our nation gets it at all any longer.

Our universities are breading grounds for contempt.  Our media loathes the values of the forefathers that gave them the freedom to destroy us.

I've never seen a more contemptable group of sons-of-bitches in my life, who have been given the honor to serve us and yet have essentially taken advantage of that honor to destroy us.

This nation is going to hell in a handbasket.  We are enabling our enemies on our soil and on foreign soil to develop the means to destroy us as fast as we can.

When and if they do, by God we will deserve it.  We face two fates today.  We can tell our government that we know what it is up to and that it must stop or else, or we can stick our heads in the sand for another five to ten years and endure the consequences.

There is much talk today of constructionist judges.  Frankly, at the moment I am more concerned about a deconstructionist President and Congress.  We need to gutt this massive government bloat and get back to loyalist grass roots patriotism.  It will be a government where traitors need not apply.

It's a big task.  The stakes are high.  I think we could pull it off.  I just don't see the fire in the belly to get the job done though.  No, too many of us are worried if some foreign national will get his/her feelings hurt.  We're too busy to march on Washington and shut the damned place down just like the Mexicans need to do in Mexico City.

Their government doesn't give a flying fig about them and ours doesn't give a s--t about us.  Both are too busy lining their own pockets and the pockets of their friends to care about Uncle Sam or the Mexican red white and green any longer.

You may not like it, but there's your answer to what's going on.

[FReepapalooza]

If you REALLY want to see something frightening, look at some of the Google and U Tube videos, then, read the comments.

The comments are the real clue to where we are headed, and it sure ain’t pretty.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“We have moved so many people in from other parts of the world that I am not sure if a majority of our nation gets it at all any longer.”

Conquest through dilution.

[DoughtyOne]

I’ve been seeing the Aztlan flag in sourthern California at protests for the last ten years. Saw it in photos before that. These folks make no bones about what they want.

As for the gangs, I can only imagine. I’m sure it’s ugly.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, I do buy into that concept.

I would cut off all legal immigration for twenty years.

During that time I would do a serious review of those who have recently entered our nation, and make damned sure to put emphasis on any terrorist types from the Middle-East or Central & South America.

There would be some deportations in upcoming years.

[FReepapalooza]

Check out
http://www.firesociety.com
We all need to get on the same page, so to speak.

[pandoraou812]

I would cut off all legal immigration for twenty years. During that time I would do a serious review of those who have recently entered our nation, and make damned sure to put emphasis on any terrorist types from the Middle-East or Central & South America. There would be some deportations in upcoming years.

I think you make quite a bit of sense...I totally agree with you 100%. Well said ..~Pandy~

[DoughtyOne]

I’ll check that out in the morning.

I’m going to hit it. Thanks.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you. Good night.

[backtothestreets]

I understand what you wrote completely. Years ago, I would usually say I was sorry for having such harsh thoughts, but times have changed.

Not only is MS-13 an invading force wrecking havoc upon our nation, but (this really gets me angry), they are recruiting our own kids into their organization. On our own soil they are building a domestic enemy force.

Unless we deal with MS-13 ruthlessly now, the day will arrive when we will have to deal ruthlessly with our own. I do not want to see that day.

If the choices are to execute MS-13 members on the spot, or someday have one of our own children, gone bad because of MS-13, face the same fate, I can’t feel sorry. The children of our nation need protecting now.

[backtothestreets]

No, no Gitmo for these. Capture them on our soil and execute them. Keep Gitmo for enemy combatants captured beyond our borders.

[Regulator]

DoughtyOne already made most of the good comments.

But just to reinforce what you said:

MS-13 -- and the Mexican government sponsored gangs who don't have the same visibility - are in fact enemy paramilitary organizations, committing acts of armed aggression against citizens in the United States.

This makes them Enemy Combatants under Mr. Bush's own definition.

Such aggressors are considered Terrorists, and accorded the harshest retaliation under all National and International law.

And that's precisely how we should regard them.

NOT as "misunderstood immigrants".

[pandoraou812]

Unless we deal with MS-13 ruthlessly now, the day will arrive when we will have to deal ruthlessly with our own. I do not want to see that day.

I don't either. I looked at the gangs in my town on a link & was amazed that MS-13 is right here. At least you can see them by their colorful tattoos all over their faces & bodies. Its now to the point of saying enough is enough & dealing with this gang as they would easily deal with one of us. Kill them as they will kill us.