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Lessons learned, and relearned, and relearned...
10/16/2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/15/2007 10:56:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I'm sure we've all learned many lessons recently on who to elect or not elect. I'm going to start with a few and hope other FReepers add to and expand on the list (don't ask me how I know about these):

Never ever compromise with the liberals. Compromise with liberals is a one way street. They win, we lose. I've never seen the liberals compromise with us for less socialism and more freedom.

Never ever negotiate for your rights. You already own them. They can't give you any additional rights and any you give up are gone for good. Hold the line. Never give in. Never give up.

Never ever support or vote for a known RINO. They'll betray you every time and you'll always regret it in the end.

Never ever vote for or support a known abortionist. If a man approves the taking of the most innocent and helpless human life, how can he possibly be trusted with anything else.

Never ever vote for or support a known gay activist or supporter of gay rights. It's not about equality or fairness or compassion or any other liberal malarkey. The gay agenda is all about removing human decency and morality from our society. The end result is anything goes when it comes to perverted public sexuality. At your expense. At your children's expense. At the loss of your basic rights to free speech, free religion and freedom to raise your children as you feel best. It's about the government forcing homosexuality onto an unwilling public. It's about forcing employers to employ cross dressers and other perverts against their will. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund sex change operations. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund healthcare to treat homosexuals and those they infect with the inevitable diseases they spread with their vile activities. It's about forcing schools to indoctrinate your children into the "homosexual lifestyle" against your will. Against their will. It's about giving up your first amendment right to speak out against homosexuality. It's about giving up your first amendment right to freely exercise your religion. It's about controlling what you say, and what your preachers are "permitted" to say from the pulpit. It's about making speaking out against homosexuality a thought crime and banning the Holy Bible as hate material. It's about forcing homosexual marriage onto an unwilling society. It's about condemning Christians and Christianity. Don't go compassionate on these evil Marxist bastards. There is nothing "gay" in homosexuality and no freedom in "gay rights."

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on national defense, national security, national sovereignty.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on border security.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on defending the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, or any of our constitutional rights.

Never ever support or elect anyone claiming to be a "compassionate conservative." Hold out for the real deal. No nonsense, hard as nails conservatives in all areas, social, fiscal, national security, etc. Any candidate who willingly compromises in any one area will compromise in any other area. Your freedom is at risk. Our Republic is at risk.

"Republicans" who try to convince you to overlook a candidate's liberal positions on abortion, gay rights, free speech, free religion, gun control, property rights, federalism, judicial activism, illegal aliens, socialized healthcare, taxes, spending, national security, sovereignty etc, are doing you no favors. Never compromise on the principles and values you hold dear.

Never ever support or vote for known big government or big spending candidates. Big government is never the solution to any of our problems. Hold out for fiscal responsibility on everything. Hold out for local control on everything not expressly enumerated to the federal government in the constitution. Ninety percent of our current federal government is unconstitutional. We don't want our congress working "for" us. Don't add to our problems. Start working on dismantling the federal behemoth and returning the power to the states and the people as originally intended.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; constitution; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; elections; fred; fredthompson; gop; leftoftedkennedy; republicans; rinorudy; rudymcromney; rudymcromneybee; thompson
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1 posted on 10/15/2007 10:56:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Never ever support or elect anyone claiming to be a "compassionate conservative."

Considering that George W. Bush brought that slogan into our lives, are you saying we should not have supported him in 2000 and 2004? Who would have been the candidates to support in those two elections?

2 posted on 10/15/2007 11:00:27 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: Darkwolf377

“lessons learned”


3 posted on 10/15/2007 11:01:51 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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Sounds like aRINOld was the lesson to be learned, tootyfruityrudy is the next test question. Did we learn? I think conservatives did. It’s the CINOs that I worry about. They AGREE with aRINOld and tootyrudy.


4 posted on 10/15/2007 11:02:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Darkwolf377

As I said. Lessons learned. How many times must we relearn the same lessons.


5 posted on 10/15/2007 11:02:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let me add; Never ever vote for a dem at any level, even if that specific dem seems pretty good. It is not the single dem who will cause the problems, it’s the majority he/she adds to. Don’t help the dems numbers ever.


6 posted on 10/15/2007 11:03:10 PM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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To: Jim Robinson
I guess I'll have to take that instead of a direct answer.

I wish we had these clear-cut choices as you seem to think we have. I can't think of a single past Republican nominee who meets all the requirements you list.

7 posted on 10/15/2007 11:05:25 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: umgud
Never ever vote for a dem at any level,

That's a much more do-able lesson. I've certainly learned it. After always being open to the "best person" in each election, local or state, since 2001 I've never voted for a dem and never will.

8 posted on 10/15/2007 11:06:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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Never ever compromise with the liberals. Compromise with liberals is a one way street. They win, we lose. I've never seen the liberals compromise with us for less socialism and more freedom.

Damn right! Our idiot Repub pols haven't quite figured that out yet though, and continue to get pwn3d by the DhimmiKrats.

9 posted on 10/15/2007 11:06:56 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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AMEN!!!!!


10 posted on 10/15/2007 11:07:12 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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I wish we had these clear-cut choices as you seem to think we have

Duncan Hunter!!

11 posted on 10/15/2007 11:08:08 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: Darkwolf377

Fred Thompson matches up pretty well to this list of principles by my reckoning.


12 posted on 10/15/2007 11:10:32 PM PDT by rogue yam
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I think another point that might be made is that the trust you give to a new convert to the correct principles is inversely proportional to the power of the office sought, and directly proportional to the length of time since the conversion.


13 posted on 10/15/2007 11:10:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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IOW, reject Rooty, Mitt Boy and McCain.

Pick the most reliable and viable conservative running.

Go Fred go!


14 posted on 10/15/2007 11:11:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: pollywog

Duncan Hunter certainly fits the bill. So does Fred Thompson, IMHO.


15 posted on 10/15/2007 11:11:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: lesser_satan
Our idiot Repub pols haven't quite figured that out yet

That they attempt compromise with the libs time and again is a Exhibit A for why we should have term limits. How come outside DC we can all see, so clearly, how they're being played, and yet they still do it? Maybe because once you're having drinks with the libs and hanging out with them you're thinking they're you'r friends? Whereas if you're new in town your anger at them is fresh and keeps you aware?

16 posted on 10/15/2007 11:11:24 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: rogue yam

I agree. I certainly hope he’s the nominee, because I just don’t see any of the others toppling Hillary.


17 posted on 10/15/2007 11:12:09 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

You got that right.


18 posted on 10/15/2007 11:12:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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Sounds good, all of it...

But should I hold out for pie in the sky, too?

What candidate comes close to touching, all the above? (pie not included).

Duncan Hunter? I'd vote for him, sure...but even if he could win the GOP nomination, could he beat the witch of the East, with her army of skillful liars?

maybe...

19 posted on 10/15/2007 11:13:24 PM PDT by BlueDragon (a handgun is best used for fighting one's way to a RIFLE)
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To: Darkwolf377
I wish we had these clear-cut choices as you seem to think we have.

We do, but the problem is that he can't generate the media coverage to garner more than 1% of the poll votes right now. If some *cough Dobson cough* would throw his name into the hat for this particular candidate from California, there might be some grass roots growth for him. As it is now, the choices are pretty pitiful.....

20 posted on 10/15/2007 11:13:54 PM PDT by Maigrey ("We still get our basic rights from God and not government." - Fred D Thompson)
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