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Lessons learned, and relearned, and relearned...
10/16/2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/15/2007 10:56:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: BykrBayb
Never vote for the lesser of two evils. If both candidates are evil, write in someone who isn’t.

Awesome. That's my plan, since it looks like '08 will be evil vs. evil.
41 posted on 10/15/2007 11:27:49 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall
I was thinking of him as a candidate and of his track record as governor of CA since we're thinking of this list as a precursor to selecting a candidate.

As a candidate, I'd say abortion wasn't Reagan's strong suit, either.

But you gotta admit, his calling it amnesty and saying it was a mistake is heads above what the current administration is doing.

No, I don't--signing an amnesty into law and later saying he was wrong doesn't change the fact that he signed an amnesty into law, something Bush hasn't done. Yet.

42 posted on 10/15/2007 11:28:21 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: GinaLolaB
3) Never vote for a lawyer.

LOL! If we could clear all the lawyers out of DC, our problems would be solved.
43 posted on 10/15/2007 11:28:43 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Jim Robinson
Never ever vote for or support a known gay activist or supporter of gay rights. It's not about equality or fairness or compassion or any other liberal malarkey. The gay agenda is all about removing human decency and morality from our society.

Amen

If there is any doubt about what homosexuals will do with any small amount of protection granted to them, check out the photos (OK, don't, you really don't want to see them) of what they have turned the streets of San Francisco into and it is all protected as a 1st amendment expression of "Free Speech".  It won't be long before you won't be able to take your kids to see the White House because this will be going on the sidewalk, or why not in the Disney Land parking lot, they are just expressing their "free speech".

44 posted on 10/15/2007 11:28:45 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

Never vote for a perfume prince from a political family.


45 posted on 10/15/2007 11:29:56 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: Jim Robinson
Duncan Hunter certainly fits the bill. So does Fred Thompson, IMHO.

I'm for


46 posted on 10/15/2007 11:31:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Jim Robinson

I vote for MY Conservative Candidate in the Primary; Will vote for the nominee in the General..!


47 posted on 10/15/2007 11:33:54 PM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrNCO)Military)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Fred Thompson on the issues:
“National Security The first responsibility of government is to protect the American people, the homeland, and our way of life. Today we face the urgent threat of radical Islamic terrorists. Al Qaeda is committed to attacking us here at home, and wants to use weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to kill millions. We must never give them that opportunity.

We must defeat the terrorists abroad, and that begins in Iraq and Afghanistan ; the central fronts in this global war. We must show the world we have the will to fight and win. A weakened America - or an America that appears weaker - will only encourage further attacks. We must persevere. As Commander-in-Chief, the president must ensure the United States has the means to achieve victory. Presidential leadership requires talking to the American people about these stakes, mapping out a clear vision for success, and devising a comprehensive strategy for achieving it. I am committed to: A larger, more capable, and more modern military that can defeat terrorists, deter adversaries, and defend the U.S. and our interests.

A missile defense system that can protect the U.S. and our allies from long-range ballistic missiles. An enhanced intelligence community, with robust human-intelligence capabilities, focused on terrorism and proliferation. A robust approach to homeland security that will protect our nation from terrorists and WMD, regardless of where they come from. A strengthened system of global alliances to better combat terrorists, proliferators, and traditional threats to our interests.

A judicial system that deals with the realities of terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants. Federal Budget and Spending/Budgetary Reform In a few short years—not a generation from now—a fiscal tsunami that could imperil our security and economic prosperity will hit our nation and place an unfair burden of debt on our children and grandchildren. The tens of trillions of dollars in debt that will be accumulated over the next few decades will do immense harm to our economy.

This burden is now estimated at $170,000 per person and $440,000 per family. Time is running out to address this looming crisis. We need market-based approaches to reform that guarantee benefits for those who need them and embrace personal responsibility and cost-effectiveness without raising taxes. Given the scope and urgency of this problem, and the burden it will place on our children, reform is not only an economic necessity, it is a moral imperative that requires action now. I am committed to: Opening the government’s fiscal books on this looming crisis for all to see and understand. Working with individuals of all political persuasions to develop a comprehensive solution to the pending fiscal crisis.

Leading and making the hard choices necessary, to include cutting wasteful government spending, to safeguard our security, promote our prosperity, and protect our children and grandchildren from fiscal calamity. Tax Reform The U.S. tax code is broken and a burden on U.S. taxpayers and businesses, large and small. Today’s tax code is particularly hostile to savings and investment, and it shows. To make matters worse, its complexity is a drag on our productivity and economic growth. Moreover, taxpayers spend billions of dollars and untold hours each year filling out complicated tax returns, just so they can send more money to Washington, much of it for wasteful programs and the pet projects of special interests.

We need lower taxes, and we need to let taxpayers keep more of their hard-earned dollars—they know best where and how to spend them. And we need to make the system simpler and fairer for all. To ensure America’s long term prosperity and economic security, I am committed to: Fundamental tax reform built on the principles of simplicity, fairness, and growth. A new tax code that gets the government out of our citizens’ pocketbooks, while enhancing U.S. competitiveness abroad.

Dissolution of the IRS as we know it. Healthcare Americans have the best healthcare in the world. Some, however, choose not be insured; others cannot afford it. Every American should be able to get health insurance coverage that is affordable, fully accessible, and portable. Coverage should meet their individual needs and put them in control. Those who propose a one-size-fits-all Washington-controlled program ignore the cost, inefficiency, and inadequate care that such a system offers. Access to affordable, portable health care can be made available for all Americans without imposing new mandates or raising taxes.

Current government programs must also be streamlined and improved so that those who truly need help can get the health care they need. I am committed to a healthcare system that: Realigns programs and creates a system around individual consumers and patients by providing more information and more opportunities to choose affordable health care options that best meet their needs and those of their families. Improves the individual health of all Americans by shifting to a system that promotes cost-effective prevention, chronic-care management, and personal responsibility Modernizes delivery and administration of care by encouraging the widespread use of clinical best practices, medical information technology, and other innovations.

Increases competition and consumer choice while streamlining regulations through free-market solutions that benefit individuals and reduce costs for employers. Promotes and speeds medical research and life-sciences innovation. Government Effectiveness Our government is outdated, inefficient, and wasteful. It is often unable to perform even the most basic tasks our citizens expect. It is no longer enough just to want limited government; the American people deserve more effective government.

Given today’s challenges, we cannot afford—and shouldn’t accept—anything less than a nimble, effective, and efficient government that is able to focus its resources on the important issues facing our country. It must be able act on behalf of the American people and our national interests in a timely manner. The key to competent government is strong, committed leadership from the top.

The key to good government is good people who are well-managed and put the national interest first. I am committed to: Attracting and rewarding the best Americans to serve in government and ensuring they have the authority and resources needed to get the job done. Fixing government accounting so tax dollars are properly spent and the American people know exactly what they are being spent on. Improving government performance by making agencies accountable for accomplishing their missions on time and within budget.

Ensuring information technology systems are secure and that they give our government the capacity and effectiveness to get the job done. Building Strong Families Strong families are the bedrock of our nation and our culture. They are built around the sanctity of life and the institution of marriage, which is the union of a man and a woman. To counter coarseness in today’s culture that oftentimes victimizes our children and undermines the traditional values parents want to instill, we must not only protect but strengthen the institutions of family and marriage.

I am committed to: Using the Presidency to encourage policies that promote a culture of life, strengthen the institution of marriage and traditional families, and advance freedom of religion. Returning authority to the levels of government closest to families and communities—the states—and then protecting states from further intrusion by the federal government, the judiciary, and other states. Combating the spread of obscenity over TV and other media by making sure parents can better exercise their responsibilities. Immigration The United States is a nation of immigrants. Throughout our history, legal immigrants have brought energy, ideas, strength, and diversity to our country, our economy, and our culture. This must continue. But in the post-9/11 world, immigration is more of a national security issue. A government that cannot secure its borders and determine who may enter and who may not, abrogates a fundamental responsibility. I am committed to: Securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws. Amnesty is not an option and the toleration of “sanctuary cities” must end.

Reviewing our immigration laws and policies to ensure they advance our national interests. Uniting Americans by welcoming legal immigrants willing to learn English, assimilate into our communities, and become productive citizens. Education A well-educated citizenry is vital to our security, our economy, and our democracy. Despite the tens of billions of dollars spent on education by Washington each year, and the hundreds of federal education programs now in place, our children are still falling behind, particularly in subjects crucial to the global economy in which we live. At a time when America is behind other developed countries in education excellence, the federal role in education is too intrusive and too bureaucratic, and has become part of the problem.

State and local governments are closest to the parents, the kids, and the schools, and best situated to implement changes and innovations that best educate children. I am committed to: Giving parents more choices in education and schools less bureaucracy. Reviewing federal programs for cost-effectiveness, reducing federal mandates, returning education money to the states, and empowering parents by promoting voucher programs, charter schools, and other innovations that enhance education excellence through competition and choice.<[P> Encouraging students and teachers to pursue careers in science, technology, engineering, and math—fields that are crucial to our security, competitiveness, and prosperity. Promoting transparency to assess performance, promote accountability, and share innovations in education at all levels. Appointing Judges Faithful To Our Constitution Activist judges across the country seem intent on legislating from the bench to promote a culture of abortion, redefine marriage, and undermine families—in effect re-shaping the values of our entire society without the consent of the people. We need judges who recognize their role in our democracy is to interpret, not make, the law. I am committed to: Appointing strict constructionist judges who will interpret the law, not impose their views on us by legislating from the bench. Energy Security

The energy challenges our nation faces today are real and significant. Our dependence on foreign sources of oil threatens our national security and puts our economic prosperity at risk. America must rise to the challenge and take the steps necessary to become more energy independent before this becomes a crisis. No one solution will solve the energy challenges we face; all ideas must be on the table. Greater energy security will enhance our ability to pursue our foreign policy and national security objectives. Increasing our energy independence and investing in alternative energy sources will also produce a healthier environment.

And while we don’t know for certain how or why climate change is occurring, it makes sense to take reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions without harming our economy. Overall, I am committed to: A balanced approach to energy security that increases domestic supplies, reduces demand for oil and gas, and promotes alternative fuels and other diverse energy sources. Investing in renewable and alternative fuels to promote greater energy independence and a cleaner environment. An energy policy that invests in the advanced technologies of tomorrow and places more emphasis on conservation and energy efficiency.

Conducting research and development into technologies that improve the environment, especially the reduction of CO2 emissions. Second Amendment I strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution, which protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms. Gun control is touted as a major crime-control measure. But some of the places with the strictest gun-control laws also have high violent-crime rates. Disarming law-abiding citizens does not prevent crime.

he answer to violent crime is smart, effective, and aggressive law enforcement. The real effect of these gun-control measures is to place onerous restrictions on law-abiding citizens who use firearms for such legal activities as self-defense, sport-shooting, hunting, and collecting. I am committed to: Strictly enforcing existing laws and severely punishing violent criminals. Protecting the rights individual Americans enjoy under the Second Amendment”

http://www.Fred08.com


48 posted on 10/15/2007 11:34:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: Darkwolf377
No, I don't--signing an amnesty into law and later saying he was wrong doesn't change the fact that he signed an amnesty into law, something Bush hasn't done. Yet.

Only because the House has refused to let amnesty pass. They're the only body standing between us and 20 million new overnight citizens.

And Bush hasn't the honesty to call it amnesty, as Reagan did. He uses PC buzzwords to try to shove it down our throats, while pretending it is something else. I think that is far more devious and dishonest.

BTW, Reagan wasn't the one pushing for an amnesty, like Bush is. Yes, he could have and should have not signed it. But he wasn't the one pushing the Senate to write the bill, to his credit. Unlike the current administration.
49 posted on 10/15/2007 11:34:09 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: GinaLolaB
Never vote for a lawyer.

Now you've gone too darn far.

50 posted on 10/15/2007 11:34:16 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTW, Fr. Jonathan Morris is a Fred fan.


51 posted on 10/15/2007 11:37:04 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: CottonBall
we may need to either go third party or write in a conservative candidate

So make sure you vote for the winner in the primaries - ei, the one that can take down hillary.

"third Party" people elected Clinton One.

I remember that every time I hear the 'third party' mantra - aka as "cut off your nose..."

52 posted on 10/15/2007 11:37:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you for the great post. We need to hear this lesson over and over again, until we get it right. If we don’t stand for something, we’ll fall for anything. We definitely don’t need a President in a dress or a crusty old pant suit! I believe we get the government we deserve, but we certainly don’t deserve that.
53 posted on 10/15/2007 11:38:11 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: maine-iac7

ABC

Anybody But Clinton


54 posted on 10/15/2007 11:39:01 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Our Republic is at risk.

After observing them for 33 years, the lesson I've learned is that nothing will destroy our Republic faster than the Clintons.

55 posted on 10/15/2007 11:39:46 PM PDT by HAL9000 (FRED2008)
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To: CottonBall
BTW, Reagan wasn't the one pushing for an amnesty, like Bush is. Yes, he could have and should have not signed it. But he wasn't the one pushing the Senate to write the bill, to his credit. Unlike the current administration.

A distinction without a difference, in the end--for all his pushing, Bush hasn't gotten the bill to sign. Reagan could have not signed it, and actually did. Which actually MADE that the law of the land, as opposed to just wishing he could?

I'm not giving Bush any free ride on this--he's flat-out wrong--but we too often make excuses for Reagan. He was not perfect and should get criticized for the things he did wrong.

56 posted on 10/15/2007 11:39:48 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: John Valentine
From the three you list, I chose the one who's last name, starts with the letter "T".

Even though I'm from Texas,


57 posted on 10/15/2007 11:42:54 PM PDT by BlueDragon (a handgun is best used for fighting one's way to a RIFLE)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the candidates of both parties are a continuing danger to the few freedoms that remain to us since the destruction of the original Constitutional Republic, there is only one logical course of action specified in the founding documents.


58 posted on 10/15/2007 11:43:59 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, I get your point. You’re looking at the end result. I’m looking at intent.

I think if given half a chance, Bush will create an even bigger mistake than Reagan did. Let’s hope this next year until nov ‘08 is uneventful!


59 posted on 10/15/2007 11:44:23 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Jim Robinson

Vote for candidates who are straightforward and realistic, and who don’t paint the world in an overly rosy or oversimplified light.


60 posted on 10/15/2007 11:45:19 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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