New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world (KRISS Super V .45-caliber )

The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 12, 2007 | JON W. GLASS

[csvset]

See a video at YouTube.

KRISS Super V submachine gun

[thefactor]

sick. too bad my job will never go to .45.

[kingu]

As a long time fan of the Mac-10, I just can’t see this as the Mac Killer that will replace those in the field. I also can’t see them replacing existing surplus equipment that has gone to the various departments in the US.

[Anti-Bubba182]

I saw the weapon demonstrated on Future Weapons. It seemed easier to control as they claimed.

[endthematrix]

"Some industry experts question whether the company will make significant inroads with military and police, which have moved away from submachine guns - in part because their pistol-caliber rounds can't pierce body armor. The gun's price tag - now expected to retail in the $1,200-to-$1,300 range - also could chill sales. "

I have mixed opinions on the .223 for patrol LEO. Friendly fire on one extreme and the low recoil vs. a shotgun on the other. As for $$$ many small departments fork it over for AR type rifles. So cost would be a factor too, since shot guns are cheaper.

[Red Steel]

Directing the recoil downward should’ve been solved years ago. An excellent weapon that KRISS.

[thefactor]

will they be available for private purchase?

[Nailbiter]

from article , appears that semi auto version will be available

[endthematrix]

Who is still using Mac-10s? The HK UMP will have beat them to the punch in any defense contract. There was a good colt AR converstion (LeFranc) that used tommy gun magazines.

[Captain Beyond]

bump

[endthematrix]

Not in many areas, where politicians spit on the RKBA.

[Caipirabob]

I WANT ONE! For SoFlo palmetto bugs. Those things can fly, you know...

Very cool! Thanks.

[from occupied ga]

will they be available for private purchase?

NO! Thanks to a Democratic Kongress and a Republican president (Reagan) working in the spirit of bipartisanship to destroy our rights

[from occupied ga]

Not in many areas, where politicians spit on the RKBA.

Not in ANY areas in the usa anyway.

[Caipirabob]

As a long time fan of the Mac-10, I just can’t see this as the Mac Killer that will replace those in the field. I also can’t see them replacing existing surplus equipment that has gone to the various departments in the US.

Maybe so, but you know any department or company that can privately finance this is going to snap it up. The grouping on full auto wasn't just impressive for a first time shooter, it was amazing. The "drop" power was just as impressive. Black Water will recoup their expense the first time it's deployed, simply because the one-shot, one kill power here will save lives for their team members.

However yes, there is an issue with getting into to the government agencies. That's what killed the Thompson in the end, isn't it? ROI for development could sustain the company over the long term, despite it's success in the field.

Sadly, with liberals and their minions in control of the government bureaucracy, life saving innovations that increase the overall effectiveness of such military/police teams will stand a poor chance of making to the field.

[taxcontrol]

Ohhhh ... I want one!

[PeteB570]

Nothing to do with the bang list or self defense.....

But an interesting piece on a new design.

[NTHockey]

Major question: How fast can it kill Muzzies?

[NY.SS-Bar9]

Sorry - if the bullet is going away from you, the recoil is 180° away - towards you.

Newton’s third law - it’s not just a suggestion - it’s the law.

This firearm has the center of the barrel in line with the shooters hand - eliminating angular forces from the equation and reducing muzzle rise. The movement of other components may change the perceived recoil but the net result is still opposite the travel of the projectile.

[RoadTest]

He’s holding and firing it with one hand! It must be very light. Carbon fiber?