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New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world (KRISS Super V .45-caliber )
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 12, 2007 | JON W. GLASS

Posted on 10/13/2007 2:06:00 AM PDT by csvset

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To: Shooter 2.5
I’m still waiting for some company to design a revolver like the Mateba that uses a six o’clock position for the barrel.

You mean, so you can shoot yourself in the foot?

<}B^)

61 posted on 10/13/2007 11:45:22 AM PDT by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: Erasmus

Repositioning the revolver barrel from the traditional 12 o’clock position to the six o’clock for less muzzle flip.


62 posted on 10/13/2007 11:59:35 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: FreedomPoster
The Thompson was killed by several factors, price being the main one. Weight, machine tool time, use of valuable materials also played a part, and the widespread issue of the M1 Carbine also factored in. Thompsons are super cool, but they weigh a ton.

This Kriss gun is interesting, and cool that it’s in .45, but it looks to me like durability would be a major factor. When you’ve got the bolt turning corners, there’s going to be a lot of wear.

63 posted on 10/13/2007 12:06:09 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: CRBDeuce
wow, you really did NOT watch the utube video, did you!

I am not a lawyer. I watched the video on "utube" [sic].

Any one that watches the video sees that the shooter is pushed straight back just as Mr. Newton suggests. There is no "re-vectoring" just a gimmick to sell stuff to gullible folks (like yourself).

64 posted on 10/13/2007 1:55:39 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: Travis McGee; FreedomPoster
Cops did get some weapons from local gun shop. Re: whitewashing, the documentary from the cop perspective was that they killed the first perp with a head shot and that it wasn’t a suicide. C’mon! It was clearly a pistol shot under the chin.

Travis, I do agree with the advantages of .223 over carbines or shotguns, but many in LE have the unfortunate circumstance of shooting each other. There is an over penetration threat inside buildings (and police vests) and a lack of it for vehicles. I think department have to really consider their use in the field. Urban areas favors carbines while rural areas may require more range from a .223.

65 posted on 10/13/2007 3:08:23 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: FreedomPoster
I enjoyed familiarization firing the M3 grease gun at the Ft. Knox Armor School. Whatever you hit stayed hit, but not much for accuracy. Great fun though.
66 posted on 10/13/2007 6:22:44 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: endthematrix

I can see the pros and cons from a LEA POV, but for me, I’d prefer to have a .223 handy. Pref w/ optics.


67 posted on 10/13/2007 7:17:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: csvset

I would like to see this technology incorporated into a relatively lightweight 38 cal. pistol. I can’t find one that my wife and daughter can handle.


68 posted on 10/14/2007 11:12:26 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: csvset

Apparently, you can’t invest in the company.


69 posted on 10/14/2007 11:14:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
70 posted on 10/14/2007 1:16:38 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Travis McGee

All good if you live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors within 6 kilometers. Not so practical in the average suburb where your next door neighbor’s outer wall is 15 feet from yours.


71 posted on 10/14/2007 2:57:47 PM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: csvset

Too bad the average Joe will never be able to legally own one.


72 posted on 10/14/2007 2:59:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I saw the weapon demonstrated on Future Weapons. It seemed easier to control as they claimed.

I saw that too. IMHO, this thing will knock the MAC right out of the market. Virtually zero muzzle rise and almost zero lateral recoil. Cripes, it's phenomenal! My only real regret is that none of the great unwashed masses will be able to afford them or even if we could, the current idiotic law on class III will prevent their purchase. I don't see that one being rescinded by anybody who could hope to win the White House among the 'Pubbies and of course no one among the RATs.

73 posted on 10/14/2007 3:23:57 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Lusis

A pistol round will also reach your neighbor’s house. Penetration of wall material by a .223 isn’t much more than hipower pistol slug. In any case, you have to hit what you’re aiming at.


74 posted on 10/14/2007 4:02:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: csvset
Damned '86 Machine Gun Ban (last minute, literally, addition to the Firearms Owners Protection Act), and '34 National Firearms Act.

I want one of those puppies.

But I'm only a mere taxpayer, citizen, and military veteran, so they are verboten for me.

75 posted on 10/14/2007 4:41:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: xsrdx; TalBlack
Thompson weighed eleven or so pounds - needed to control recoil and because they built REAL guns in those days.

I wasn't able to run down the actual weight of a Blackhawk long barrel in same caliber but sounds like the Kriss is a decent trade off.

The trick downward motion of the bolt might approximate the reduced weight (to same result) and, since there is a fore grip on the piece, one handing it should not be an issue. (Stability for one reason, economy of motion / facilitating even a quick aim, for others)

I'd rather see a reduction in rate of fire - that would improve on a lot of potential complaints as well as logistical and tight tactical situations.

76 posted on 10/14/2007 5:23:25 PM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: csvset

Other reference for the forum:

March 17, 2007 (scroll down)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Weapons

TDI KRISS Super V
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_KRISS_Super_V


77 posted on 10/14/2007 5:38:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: csvset

Other reference for the forum:

March 17, 2007 (scroll down)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Weapons

TDI KRISS Super V
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_KRISS_Super_V


78 posted on 10/14/2007 5:38:48 PM PDT by VOA
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To: csvset

My wild guess is you get less accuracy with this “Deal” but you spray more so hit more. I have not yet read comments but that’s my guess .... No free lunch


79 posted on 10/14/2007 5:43:19 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: thefactor
will they be available for private purchase?

Nope... Not unless you're a dealer licensed for sale to law enforcement, or a LE agency. Due to the "Firearms Owners Protection Act" no weapons capable of automatic fire that were manufactured after 1986 are legal for civilians to own. Which is the main reason for the outrageous prices they're getting for "pre-ban" full auto weapons.

Mark

80 posted on 10/14/2007 5:51:00 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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