New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world (KRISS Super V .45-caliber )

The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 12, 2007 | JON W. GLASS

[archy]

Right now my primary gear is a M1A and a 1911A1.....Old school , proven and reliable for my local needs. Different environments and regions require different tools. One should not be “set” on their choices and train and equip for those arenas they will have to work in.

Add a 15 or 22-round extended magazine, and the M1911 can become a pretty fair PDW on its own, as a few of the US MilGroup advisors in ElSalvador concluded after congress forbade their carry of rifles. 1930s gangsters like Dillinger and Baby-face Nelson sometimes added a Thompson front grip and compensator and, with practice, found the combinastion to be a useful, deadly and very concealable PDW.

Funny thing: in my former home state of Tennessee, carry of a loaded or uncased rifle or shotgun in one's vehicle was a no-no. But a couple of interesting pistol adaptations that offered a little more than the average handgun were okay, and legal.

[papertyger]

...after congress forbade their carry of rifles...

Words to make one's skin crawl.

[papertyger]

Or a very well-placed first surprise shot.

Any plan that requires the use of a bold tag to succeed is doomed to failure.

;o>

[archy]

Any plan that requires the use of a bold tag to succeed is doomed to failure.

We'll put on our fish costumes, pass out the Vaseline and an extra ration of rum for the men!

[archy]

My grandpa favored the grease gun much more than the thompson because it had a more accuracy when he used them in WW2.

As a former Army Armor Center M3 and M3A1 *grease gun* instructor who carried the things as a young tank crewman and later used one in a shootin' contest in which the targets shot back, I can tell you this about the M3 versus the M1A1 Thompson, which I've also used extensively: it's about 4 pounds or two loaded magazines worth lighter. The magazines for a Thompson are a little shorter and more compact, a consideration if you carry spare magazines stuffed down the front of a set of tanker coveralls in hot weather. Magazine pouches hang up on the edge of a hatch and on interior fittings waaaay to easily.

Both guns are surprisingly accurate, and anyone who's had a little practice with one can ruin the day for anyone within a caty block. Nighttime flash is also about the same.

[AppyPappy]

They shoot the M3 at the Tank Museum in Danville Va. I was amazed to the ease of use. The Thompson had issues. They had to fiddle with it quite a bit. But the M3 did great.

Watching them drive the T-34 tank around was pretty cool too.

[papertyger]

We'll put on our fish costumes, pass out the Vaseline and an extra ration of rum for the men!

My lack of comprehesion can be scary sometimes.

This is one of them :o)

[Gilbo_3]

Het archy, nice pics. good info. If a peon such as myself could have it, a smg would prolly be fine at 80 yds. But handgun/shotgun vs armored zombies in that range, plus my lack of ‘professional’ tageting skills favors the black rifle...

[Gilbo_3]

Het archy, nice pics. good info. If a peon such as myself could have it, a smg would prolly be fine at 80 yds. But handgun/shotgun vs armored zombies in that range, plus my lack of ‘professional’ tageting skills favors the black rifle...

[archy]

Het archy, nice pics. good info. If a peon such as myself could have it, a smg would prolly be fine at 80 yds. But handgun/shotgun vs armored zombies in that range, plus my lack of ‘professional’ tageting skills favors the black rifle...

SMGs are really for those for whom a rifle is not the best answer. In the case of those for whom space is the limitatation, such as tank crews and aviators, it's not a bad answer since the use is as a secondary weapon.

But where the SMG is REALLY useful is when a great many troops with no particular marssmanship ability or inclination need to be equipped, inexpensively and usually, in a hurry.

One such example of that was the 10 million or so Soviet PPSh burp guns used by the conscript troops riding aboard tanks during WWII; as few as one in ten carried a rifle.

Likewise, when Israel faced invasion by combined Arab armise that threatened to massacre all inhabitants of the State of Israel, the practical response by the Israelis was the development and manufacture of the Uzi SMG.

In terms of mass production and economy of scale, a pretty good SMG should cost far less than any handgun, being similar to an automobile bumper jack or a basic bicycle to manufacture and in required materials. And less than that of a lawn mower.

But legalities and taxation created scarcity, and scarcity raised demand, and as a result we now see rebuilt British Stens going for as much as $10,000 each.

[archy]

They shoot the M3 at the Tank Museum in Danville Va. I was amazed to the ease of use. The Thompson had issues. They had to fiddle with it quite a bit. But the M3 did great.

The safety on a Thompson is quite positive, positively locking the bolt in either its forward or rearward position when applied. And the bolt must be in the rear for a loaded drum magazine to be inserted, which can slow down a user not familiar with it.

Watching them drive the T-34 tank around was pretty cool too.

It was much, MUCH more fun for you watching the Scaup at play than it was for the poor guy who had to drive the thing. And T54/T55s are worse.

[AppyPappy]

It was on pavement. I was amazed at how quickly it moved.

[Shooter 2.5]

Thanks for the information. I’ll look into it and check some books while I’m at it. You might like this discussion on the Mateba.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910923/posts

[Gilbo_3]

archy, In case I havent said so before to you and all other FReepers and lurkers...

"Thank You" for your service !!!

I reckon so long as ammo suppies can keep up, massive suppression/'spray' fire would be somewhat effective, esp, for gun crews and such who normally wont have a working perimeter or much time to organize when they NEED small arms...of course that works for populations that are rudely hit all of the sudden as well...