Posted on 10/13/2007 2:06:00 AM PDT by csvset
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Braverman had made the FPR22 and FPR32 with the barrel at 6 but of course those werent auto-revolvers...
I think with an Ithica with only a bead front sight, he wouldn’t have been able to get a hit with his two shots. He only got ineffective hits at all because of his buckshot’s pattern. He’d need good rifle type sights or an optic to get a hit with a slug.
OTOH, it would have been an easy head shot at 80 yards with an AR. And he probably would have gotten off 3-5 aimed shots in the time allowed, vice (I think it was) only two shotgun shots. (After that, the AK tore up the kiosk, and he could only take cover, and couldn’t return fire.)
What always amazed me was that none of the cops there could shoot accurately enough to make a head shot on those two bozos...
I am not the shot I was 10 or 20 years ago, but I can still put 6 of 8 .45s into the black at 100 yards and that is a smaller target than a human head.
Well, to be fair, the perps were moving around, not standing still like a target. And this was a “two way range” with several thousand rounds of full-auto 7.62X39 coming back. And the cops didn’t know until well into the fight that the bad guys were armored from head to ankles, so they were still aiming for the body.
This of course was after many rounds had bounced off center mass, slooooow learners...
Seems like there was an extended news story right after the incident where the cameras showed cops scrambling from the gunstores with ARs, been a while though, and that footage probably doesnt exist anymore cept tween my ears...
Indeed, the forces will ultimately go straight back. Cleverly, this design does some things that spread out the impluse.
In recoil, there really isn’t that much energy transferred - thing is, it’s that it’s all transferred really fast. Anything that extends the time of that transfer dramatically reduces perceived recoil. Comparison: a candle releases the same amount of energy as a stick of TNT - it just does it really slowly.
Good analogy with the candle & stick of dynamite. Furthermore, I would bet that candles (the dreaded open flame) have caused far more damage to structures than has dynamite.
I seem to remember stories of cops buying those very loaner rifles and a contest or two to own them.
I have to agree with you. (not that my opinion counts for much ;o)
It seems to me these days if you have need of “full auto” you also have need of “armor piercing.”
One without the other is like taking a Terzuola knife to a gunfight.
The North Hollywood Shootout indeed had cops scrambling to a local gun store to buy “assault weapons”.
Not quite. One BG eventually dropped pretty much everything, wandered away, and offed himself. The other BG got some buckshot in a foot, and bled out.
Well I’m glad you’re here and the other fellow ain’t!
I’d still rather have a rifle against a rifle at 80 yards.
No reason for accuracy to be affected. It’s the loading mechanism that’s different, not the chamber+round+barrel.
It’s not that it’s a free lunch, it’s that thanks to the 1986 MG ban, we haven’t had the market forces encouraging technological development. This and the FN P90 are the only real individual-sized MG innovations in the last 50 years.
I saw the helicopter film on the documentary, and it was clear the first guy (the walker) offed himself with an upward pistol shot. It was clearly visible: pistol, recoil, effect.
The guy by the car and truck went down after being hit by SWAT several times in the feet under the vehicles, and after that he was shot by dozens of rifle shots almost point blank.
That’s based on my recall of the documentary.
If the “gun store AR” story is true, it was 100% whitewashed out of the documentary.
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