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New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world (KRISS Super V .45-caliber )
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 12, 2007 | JON W. GLASS

Posted on 10/13/2007 2:06:00 AM PDT by csvset

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83 posted on 10/14/2007 11:50:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Braverman had made the FPR22 and FPR32 with the barrel at 6 but of course those werent auto-revolvers...


84 posted on 10/15/2007 12:37:52 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (There is no problem that cant be made worse by leaving the answer up to government...)
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To: JMack

I think with an Ithica with only a bead front sight, he wouldn’t have been able to get a hit with his two shots. He only got ineffective hits at all because of his buckshot’s pattern. He’d need good rifle type sights or an optic to get a hit with a slug.

OTOH, it would have been an easy head shot at 80 yards with an AR. And he probably would have gotten off 3-5 aimed shots in the time allowed, vice (I think it was) only two shotgun shots. (After that, the AK tore up the kiosk, and he could only take cover, and couldn’t return fire.)


85 posted on 10/15/2007 4:33:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Re: Look at the North Hollywood BOA shootout...

What always amazed me was that none of the cops there could shoot accurately enough to make a head shot on those two bozos...

I am not the shot I was 10 or 20 years ago, but I can still put 6 of 8 .45s into the black at 100 yards and that is a smaller target than a human head.

86 posted on 10/15/2007 4:40:09 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

Well, to be fair, the perps were moving around, not standing still like a target. And this was a “two way range” with several thousand rounds of full-auto 7.62X39 coming back. And the cops didn’t know until well into the fight that the bad guys were armored from head to ankles, so they were still aiming for the body.


87 posted on 10/15/2007 5:05:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Well, not to tell tales out of school, I’ve been shot at before and was able to return fire. I am alive to say this, the shooter aiming at me is not. Like my dead old Pappy told me fifty years ago, a head shot with a .45 will stop just about anything short of a rino or grizzly bear.
88 posted on 10/15/2007 5:49:39 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Travis McGee
IIRC, didnt one of the cops FINALLY get around to taking a head shot with a pistol or shotgun, and end one BG?

This of course was after many rounds had bounced off center mass, slooooow learners...

89 posted on 10/15/2007 5:55:40 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Travis McGee; FreedomPoster
I really don’t know if it’s true or a myth.

Seems like there was an extended news story right after the incident where the cameras showed cops scrambling from the gunstores with ARs, been a while though, and that footage probably doesnt exist anymore cept tween my ears...

90 posted on 10/15/2007 6:00:29 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Indeed, the forces will ultimately go straight back. Cleverly, this design does some things that spread out the impluse.

In recoil, there really isn’t that much energy transferred - thing is, it’s that it’s all transferred really fast. Anything that extends the time of that transfer dramatically reduces perceived recoil. Comparison: a candle releases the same amount of energy as a stick of TNT - it just does it really slowly.


91 posted on 10/15/2007 7:29:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2

Good analogy with the candle & stick of dynamite. Furthermore, I would bet that candles (the dreaded open flame) have caused far more damage to structures than has dynamite.


92 posted on 10/15/2007 8:35:22 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Gilbo_3

I seem to remember stories of cops buying those very loaner rifles and a contest or two to own them.


93 posted on 10/15/2007 9:11:30 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Squantos

I have to agree with you. (not that my opinion counts for much ;o)

It seems to me these days if you have need of “full auto” you also have need of “armor piercing.”

One without the other is like taking a Terzuola knife to a gunfight.


94 posted on 10/15/2007 9:18:10 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Travis McGee

The North Hollywood Shootout indeed had cops scrambling to a local gun store to buy “assault weapons”.


95 posted on 10/15/2007 9:25:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Gilbo_3

Not quite. One BG eventually dropped pretty much everything, wandered away, and offed himself. The other BG got some buckshot in a foot, and bled out.


96 posted on 10/15/2007 9:27:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Bender2

Well I’m glad you’re here and the other fellow ain’t!

I’d still rather have a rifle against a rifle at 80 yards.


97 posted on 10/15/2007 9:32:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: dennisw

No reason for accuracy to be affected. It’s the loading mechanism that’s different, not the chamber+round+barrel.

It’s not that it’s a free lunch, it’s that thanks to the 1986 MG ban, we haven’t had the market forces encouraging technological development. This and the FN P90 are the only real individual-sized MG innovations in the last 50 years.


98 posted on 10/15/2007 9:33:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Gilbo_3

I saw the helicopter film on the documentary, and it was clear the first guy (the walker) offed himself with an upward pistol shot. It was clearly visible: pistol, recoil, effect.

The guy by the car and truck went down after being hit by SWAT several times in the feet under the vehicles, and after that he was shot by dozens of rifle shots almost point blank.

That’s based on my recall of the documentary.


99 posted on 10/15/2007 9:35:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Gilbo_3

If the “gun store AR” story is true, it was 100% whitewashed out of the documentary.


100 posted on 10/15/2007 9:36:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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